To: piusv
Ah the irony. Calling another a heretic for not following the teaching of someone who made a habit of praying with heretics, apostates and schismatics.....something condemned by the Catholic Church itself. That would be Saint John Paul II?
Rather than getting into a discussion on the correct definitions of "heretic" and "schismatic" and "apostate", I'll simply provide you with a pre-Vatican II quotation:
"It is known to Us and to You that they who are in invincible ignorance concerning our religion but observe the natural law . . . and are ready to obey God and lead an honest and righteous life, can, with the help of Divine light and grace, attain to eternal life . . . for God . . . will not allow any one to be eternally punished who is not wilfully guilty."
Who said that?
To: marshmallow
That quote has nothing to do with the fact that it was condemned pre-Vatican II to pray with heretics and the like. I do understand that post-Vatican II it’s all about False Kumbaya Ecumenism.
Yes, “Saint” (who was it that canonized him again? Oh, that’s right the non-Catholic “pope” leading the Sin-od....Francis) JPII had a habit of praying with heretics and the like (Assisi!). And here we are using his teachings to call another a heretic.
Ironic indeed.
13 posted on
10/16/2015 4:06:23 PM PDT by
piusv
(The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
To: marshmallow; piusv
Who said that?>
Pius IX said it in "QUANTO CONFICIAMUR MOERORE". It does help to post the whole paragraph rather than the cut and paste version with various parts missing:
7. Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.
This quote actually works against Abp. Cupich (and a large number of bishops).
18 posted on
10/16/2015 6:23:41 PM PDT by
ronnietherocket3
(Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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