[BlatherNaut]

What the Cardinal is asking seems to be that we do not speak about 'sin' at all, which seems to be one of the great problems of the Church today. The obvious example is to speak about 'second marriages', when what we are actually talking about is something which is directly against Jesus' teaching on marriage, we dare not to use Jesus' language, Jesus is not afraid to say to the woman at the well: For you have had five husbands; and he whom you now have is not your husband.

[CharlesOConnell]

A Priest of the Diocese of Oakland wrote an article in the diocesan paper taking a conventional view of homosexuality. Another minister in Oakland, had a senior member of his staff delegated to take enema kits to his church’s young men, after using which, the young men had an appointment for a private interview, with the Reverend Jim Jones of the People’s Temple.

[CharlesOConnell]

And now, priests, this commandment is for you:

If you do not listen,

2 And if you do not take to heart

giving honor to my name, says the LORD of hosts,

I will send a curse upon you

and your blessing I will curse.

In fact, I have already cursed it,

because you do not take it to heart.

3 I will rebuke your offspring;

I will spread dung on your faces,

Dung from your feasts,

and will carry you to it.

4 You should know that I sent you this commandment

so that my covenant with Levi might endure,

says the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant with him was the life and peace which I gave him,

and the fear he had for me,

standing in awe of my name.

6 Reliable instruction was in his mouth,

no perversity was found upon his lips;

He walked with me in integrity and uprightness,

and turned many away from evil.

7 For a priest’s lips preserve knowledge,

and instruction is to be sought from his mouth,

because he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But you have turned aside from the way,

and have caused many to stumble by your instruction;

You have corrupted the covenant of Levi,

says the LORD of hosts.

9 I, therefore, have made you contemptible

and base before all the people,

For you do not keep my ways,

but show partiality in your instruction.

Malachi 3

[G Larry]

Since the plumbing doesn’t work, the behavior is without biological purpose and therefore the result of disorder....which is “intrinsic”.