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To: Zuriel

Jesus was sinless, but yet he was Baptized thus it wasn’t for any kind of sin removal.

Matthew 3:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

The law was about man trying to save man and it just didn’t work. It has always been about the blood from Genesis to Revelation and every book in between. Never once did water save anyone as a matter of fact it destroyed the world during the flood. 1 Peter 1:18-19, water is corruptible (can be contaminated) just as much as anything else is in this fallen world except Jesus Christ. Water is for the flesh, but the Blood of the Lamb is for the soul. If you want to believe that water from a fallen man can save you then by all means good luck. I personally will go with the sinless and perfect Lamb of God, Jesus Christ for my salvation and view water Baptism as and outward visible expression of a new creation.

Leviticus 17:11 King James Version (KJV)

11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Exodus 12:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

Isaiah 53:4-5 King James Version (KJV)

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Matthew 19:25-26King James Version (KJV)

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Matthew 26:28 King James Version (KJV)

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

1 John 1:7 King James Version (KJV)

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Romans 5:9 King James Version (KJV)

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Acts 20:28 King James Version (KJV)

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Hebrews 10:19 King James Version (KJV)

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

1 Peter 1:18-19 King James Version (KJV)

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1 Peter 2:24 King James Version (KJV)

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Colossians 1:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Colossians 1:20 King James Version (KJV)

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Revelation 1:5 King James Version (KJV)

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Revelation 12:11 King James Version (KJV)

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


113 posted on 09/06/2015 10:27:14 PM PDT by mrobisr
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To: mrobisr

**Jesus was sinless, but yet he was Baptized thus it wasn’t for any kind of sin removal.**

He came to fulfill the Law. The priest washed in the laver before doing service to God. And even so, besides the baptism of the Lord, John baptized unto repentance. Paul rebaptized 12 ‘certain disciples’ in Ephesus, in the name of Jesus, that only knew John’s baptism, for he knew that it was a whole new commandment for rebirth.

**Matthew 26:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.**

And the testament didn’t take effect until the death of the testator: “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength AT ALL while the testator liveth”. Heb. 9:16,17

**The law was about man trying to save man and it just didn’t work. It has always been about the blood from Genesis to Revelation and every book in between.**

No argument with that.

**Water is for the flesh**

Do you believe the man-made interpretation that ‘water’, in John 3:5, is the ‘flesh’ in verse 6? John 1:13 covers natural birth, and water is not mentioned there at all.

**Never once did water save anyone as a matter of fact it destroyed the world during the flood.**

“..the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein a few, that is eight souls were SAVED by WATER. The LIKE FIGURE whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” 1Peter 3:20,21

..which harmonizes with all that I put forth in post #81, including this verse....

““Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?” 1Cor 15:29.

...which was just Paul explaining that it all is nothing but vanity if Christ isn’t risen from the dead. But, he knew it was not vain, for Christ is risen. That’s the good conscience Peter was referring to. It is not a vain thing, and it is not a bath. It’s burial with HIM.

All of your references to the epistles are words written to people that already were born again. The intro to those epistles prove that. Chapter 6:1-3 of Hebrews shows that the writer is addressing people that know Acts 2:38. Even Revelation has John saying: “John, to the seven churches which are in Asia..”. Rev. 1:4

**I personally will go with the sinless and perfect Lamb of God, Jesus Christ for my salvation and view water Baptism as and outward visible expression of a new creation.**

..and reject his words, commanded to his apostles in his commissions, and first expressed to the lost in Acts 2:38?


114 posted on 09/07/2015 12:26:52 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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