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To: markomalley; wmfights; editor-surveyor; daniel1212; metmom; Springfield Reformer; CynicalBear; ...
“These teachers, pastors, and students of Scripture are coming to believe that the rapture will take place after the tribulation, but before the wrath of God is poured out. In my own experience, I continually meet new pastors and leaders who have come to reject the doctrine of the ‘pre-trib’ rapture. Many of these are members of denominations that require one to believe in the pre-trib rapture – yet they inform me that many within their denomination have stopped believing in a pre-trib rapture.”

That seems to be the debate in the bolded above. Which many seem to omit in these discussions on the internet. What does the Bible teach us of 'when' the Wrath of God is poured out? Some say the end like Richardson and some look at the language used in Revelation chapter 6 where on the sixth seal broken we have:

And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

The above happens before the trumpet and bowls (vials) judgements.

Sometimes it is hard to pin the "wrath" rapture theorists as it is for the pre-trib theories. What is important? What was commanded. Continue to work, preach the Gospel, watch, be ready, be approved and live holy lives until His Coming. Amen.

That was advice for all eras/ages. We would be wise to put the above first.

146 posted on 08/24/2015 3:16:06 PM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: redleghunter; markomalley; wmfights; daniel1212; metmom; Springfield Reformer; CynicalBear

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>> “The above happens before the trumpet and bowls (vials) judgements.” <<

How did you determine that?

Chapter 6 covers it all, the breaking of all of the 6 seals, and that statement is at the end of the chapter, looking foreward to the seventh seal.(IOW none of that has happened yet)


148 posted on 08/24/2015 3:25:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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