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To: daniel1212
Bearer of God and Birth Giver of God are both good translations of θεοτοκος, but as af_vet_1981 points out, it certainly sounds strained in English. The term Mother of God is regularly used, as you pointed out, in our icons. You'll see it as ΜΡ and ΘΥ on either side of her.

The term Τοκος (Τοκου)which you will see at the end of the Greek translation of the Arabic Paschal chant linked below, is generally translated as "Whom you bore", meaning to Whom you gave birth. The Arabic in the linked chant is almost word for word identical to he Greek in meaning. It is sobering to realize what is happening now to the Christians who have chanted this hymn (along with all other Orthodox Christians) during the Paschal Season since the 4th century. Please all of you, pray for them tomorrow and always.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyJyubi8FJk

657 posted on 08/22/2015 10:55:26 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Kolokotronis
Bearer of God and Birth Giver of God are both good translations of θεοτοκος,

As it is plainly denied by clerics on your side that θεοτοκος means the same as “Mother of God,” versus “Birth-giver to God” or “God bearer,” with the latter more denoting instrumentality than what "Mother" normally ontologically conveys, the then what is a "good translation' is based upon theological preference, which was my point, versus a quote by a native Greek speaker providing the most accurate translation.

It is sobering to realize what is happening now to the Christians who have chanted this hymn

Sad indeed (coming here incrementally) but I hope they all are Christians most of all.

670 posted on 08/22/2015 5:43:28 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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