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Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles
http://www.catholicchristiananswers.com ^ | August 12, 2015 | Jessie Neace

Posted on 08/17/2015 6:07:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

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To: Mark17
I am just not into man made, works based religions.

Uhhhhh, who made up that 30's group that you are a member of???Navigators, is it???

1,101 posted on 08/25/2015 6:44:41 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl

It is astonishing how many people have been poisoned with hatred of Mary, to such as extent that they can look at a formally valid syllogism, and declare it invalid. Or they can look at a declaration in the gospel that Mary is the mother of God—”Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?”—and deny that it is saying any such thing.


1,102 posted on 08/25/2015 6:49:12 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bishop Malooly of Wilmington, Cardinal McCarrick)
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To: ebb tide; metmom
Good grief.

John 1:1 will cover it I believe.

See how easy it is to find ALL of your answers in the Word?

1,103 posted on 08/25/2015 6:49:38 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Arthur McGowan; metmom
Tell me which of the following syllogism are valid, and which are invalid. If you are capable of doing so, that will demonstrate that you can recognize the fallacy of the undistributed middle. If you can’t, you can’t.

To begin with D is invalid, as one person being God does not make him the Trinity. Nor does being the mother of a member of Congress make her the mother of Congress. God is a Trinity, and while Jesus is rightly called God as He is indeed God by nature, yet could not be God alone.

And which illustrates the problem with the uncritical use of the phrase, "Mother of God," which too easily conveys ontologically begetting Divinity. As much as you may want to avoid Mary being inferred to be the mother of the Trinity, the popular abundant use of MOG easily infers Mary as at least being some sort of Divine goddess, and the protest against MOG cannot be separated from the hyper hyperdulia ascribed to her.

As i have said, what Ratzinger said about the use of the term " Co-redemptrix" that it "departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings,” applies to MOG as regards the language of Scripture.

Instead of saying anyone is the mother of God, Scripture even adds "as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen" (Romans 9:5) when stating that Christ came out of Israel.

And as concerns the logic of the polemic "if Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God," one could say that since the Jews (standing for us) killed Christ, and Christ is God, then... Technically allowed with equivocation, but you see the problem. Also, CARM states ,

There is a sense in which the syllogism is true but also another in which it is not. Let's take a look.

A syllogism is a set of premises with a conclusion. Here is their syllogism about Mary . . . 

  1. Mary is the mother of Jesus.
  2. Jesus is God.
  3. Therefore, Mary is the mother of God.

Within this syllogism is the fallacy of equivocation. This fallacy occurs when a word or words change meaning in the usage of an argument.

  1. Mary is the mother of Jesus.
    1. Response: This is definitely true as is verified in Scripture. The term "mother" must refer to the biological sense of Jesus because Mary did not precede the Word that became flesh, (John 1:1, 14), nor is she the author of His divine essence.
  2. Jesus is God.
    1. Response: When we say that Jesus is God, we our affirming that Jesus has a divine nature as well as a human nature (see Hypostatic Union). Therefore, the word, "God," here must refer to the divine nature, the divine essence. 
  3. Therefore, Mary is the mother of God.
    1. Response: In what sense is the term, "God," used here? Does it mean God in the divine essence? Or does it mean God as a Trinity? Also, in what sense is the word, "mother," used here? Does it mean that she is the mother of the divine nature? If so, it cannot mean that she's the mother in the sense of being before the divine nature the same way that all mothers are before their offspring. It cannot mean that she is in a superior position than the divine Word since she is a creature. So, how is it meant? The lack of clarity is the problem.

1,104 posted on 08/25/2015 6:50:10 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: MHGinTN
So, where did you obtain this LIE that Jesus established an organization?

Upon this Rock I will build My church....sounds Catholic to me.

1,105 posted on 08/25/2015 6:50:31 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: MHGinTN
Can God sin? ...

He, not you, determines what sin is. Can the president divulge secret information....no, because if he divulges something, he has declared it non secret....same with God, if He does it, it isn't sin.

1,106 posted on 08/25/2015 6:53:12 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: daniel1212
fallacy of equivocation

That was obvious when it was first posted... here we are 1,000 posts later.

Do you think he/she will stop trying?

No. Neither do I.

1,107 posted on 08/25/2015 6:56:12 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: metmom
Jesus was a man...He founded the Catholic religion And there we have it...... Right from a Catholic.

You really missed a lot of catechism classes didn't you???....which statement was false????.....I didn't think so.

1,108 posted on 08/25/2015 6:57:28 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: ealgeone
Sorry,but the catholic encyclopedia online disagrees.

Well, what do they know?

1,109 posted on 08/25/2015 6:58:09 PM PDT by xone
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To: ealgeone
You've got nothing from the Word to substantiate the catholic claim on this.
1,110 posted on 08/25/2015 6:58:46 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: Elsie
Try your Romish “Mother of GOD” on a Muslim and see the reaction!

Who cares??

1,111 posted on 08/25/2015 6:59:14 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: verga

How nice, that you are so easily amused. LOL


1,112 posted on 08/25/2015 7:00:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: daniel1212; Arthur McGowan; metmom; ebb tide
And which illustrates the problem with the uncritical use of the phrase, "Mother of God," which too easily conveys ontologically begetting Divinity. As much as you may want to avoid Mary being inferred to be the mother of the Trinity, the popular abundant use of MOG easily infers Mary as at least being some sort of Divine goddess, and the protest against MOG cannot be separated from the hyper hyperdulia ascribed to her.

Below may be where the catholic is getting this from.

I've often wondered why roman catholics are so insistent on this. I do not think they realize what they are saying and how they are being duped.

The salutation of the angel Gabriel -- chaire kecharitomene , Hail, full of grace ( Luke 1:28 ) indicates a unique abundance of grace, a supernatural, godlike state of soul, which finds its explanation only in the Immaculate Conception of Mary. www.catholicencyclopedia - immaculateconception

1,113 posted on 08/25/2015 7:01:18 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
You've got nothing from the Word to substantiate the catholic claim on this.

As I said before, the proof is there, non-Catholics choose not to see it.

1,114 posted on 08/25/2015 7:02:37 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: verga

Wow....I’ve seen doubling down before in discussions; but you take the prize on this one.


1,115 posted on 08/25/2015 7:05:46 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: af_vet_1981
a simple, straightforward reply is warranted.

When you find Christ giving into every demand to explicitly say what was He made manifest to them then so will I. Until then you must do as He expected them to so, which is to look at what was said and done and realize that I told you that I believe the Jesus is God the Son, thus sending you to a link to my web page (which site is plainly listed on my home page) which i explicitly said was "affirming Jesus Christ is God the Son."

Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. (John 10:24-25)

Christ requires seeking, which evidences one is worthy to receive Truth, and prepares the heart to appreciate it, and would not be made a puppet to submit to man's un-reasonable demands.

your question pointing to your own blog was inconclusive.

Then if you think "Did you not see the link i provided affirming Jesus Christ is God the Son?" is inconclusive that it is a case of blindness, or laziness or just insolence. Pick you poison, i am done with trying to make you see the obvious.

1,116 posted on 08/25/2015 7:06:34 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: MHGinTN
How nice, that you are so easily amused. LOL

Never used the word amused, I said, I said interesting. Amuse means with out thought "A" "muse" This is something most non-Catholics are guilty of. On the other hand interesting means that thought is required. You will find this in the majority of Catholic responses, but almost none of the non-Catholic.

1,117 posted on 08/25/2015 7:07:12 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: ealgeone

Catholics must double down on the truth.


1,118 posted on 08/25/2015 7:08:15 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: ealgeone
This is what you learned in seminary???

Probably, Catholic clergy actually get an extensive education in theology....unlike some who get their credentials from an on line diploma mill....

1,119 posted on 08/25/2015 7:08:26 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: ealgeone
Real question: Why are catholics so insistent on calling Mary, Mother of God?

because we actually believe that Jesus is God.....don't you??

1,120 posted on 08/25/2015 7:11:32 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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