Skip to comments.Atheist minister fighting United Church’s effort to fire her
Posted on 08/07/2015 6:34:17 PM PDT by NRx
An ordained United Church of Canada minister who believes in neither God nor Bible said Wednesday she is prepared to fight an unprecedented attempt to boot her from the pulpit for her beliefs.
In an interview at her West Hill church, Rev. Gretta Vosper said congregants support her view that how you live is more important than what you believe in.
I dont believe in...the god called God, Vosper said. Using the word gets in the way of sharing what I want to share.
Vosper, 57, who was ordained in 1993 and joined her east-end church in 1997, said the idea of an interventionist, supernatural being on which so much church doctrine is based belongs to an outdated world view.
Whats important, she says, is that her views hearken to Christianitys beginnings, before the focus shifted from how one lived to doctrinal belief in God, Jesus and the Bible.
Is the Bible really the word of God? Was Jesus a person? she said.
Its mythology. We build a faith tradition upon it which shifted to find belief more important than how we lived.
(Excerpt) Read more at theglobeandmail.com ...
A wolf in sheep’s clothing. No surprise...
Her beliefs? She has no beliefs!
Ain’t she in for a surprise.
The United Church doesn’t believe in God or the Bible either.
Well when you start going against the truth and ordaining women in the first place, what does it matter if she then doesn’t even believe in God or Jesus...the United church also supports homosexuality, etc., not even sure why this bothers them its right up their alley...
If the congregants support her, they'll support her. If they don't, they'll find a different church to go to.
Since God doesn't pay the electric bills, no congregants means no church. Pretty simple.
“Since God doesn’t pay the electric bills...”
Especially not for the Godless.
“Atheist minister” is almost as irritating a phrase
as “his husband,” and I say that as an atheist.
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Sounds like she would fit right in...
Mainstream Protestantism has little left that is recognisably Christian, so what does it matter?
We shan't point out the problems with the rcc.
How can they not be able to fire this person summarily
That’s a pretty broad brush you forgot to include Mr. Who am I to Judge
Talking about the mainline denominations, not the Evangelicals.
Ok so she has the backing of 50 from a previous total of 150. She lost 2/3 when she decided to delete the Lord's Prayer. I have enough trouble in life without listening to the prattling of fools on top of everything else. Same reason I quickly switch channels when I stumble across some ridiculous pol on tv.
We had a Episcopal minister in the Detroit area that periodically wrote a column for one of the Detroit dailies. He admitted he did not believe Jesus was divine. After one of the more egregious columns, I called him and asked why he remained a pastor. Essentially, he said it was for the paycheck.
WHY does it matter how you live and by what standard does one judge how to live?
What is truth? Seems this question has been around a long time.
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