“Do you presume that God will have these who are not condemned upon the Earth when the condemnation from God begins in Jerusalem?”
The condemnation of God doesn’t happen until after Christ returns, as it is Christ that treads the winepress of God’s wrath. By that time, we’ll all be resurrected in glorified bodies, so we won’t have to worry about being “collateral damage”.
“remembering that the Bible did not have chapter separations as we have now, so this verse is a continuation of what we see in Rev 3 with the open door:”
Nonsense, there is a clear textual distinction, with the previous chapter being in the form of an epistle to a church, and this chapter being a visionary prophecy, told from the first person point of view of John. John is the one being told to “come up here”, just as John is the subject of many such instructions and comments throughout the book, as he is the one being given the vision.
“When The Body of Christ, the Spiritual Church, is mentioned again it is called ‘The Bride of Christ’. So where did the marriage take place since it happened before the Bride and The Lord return to the Earth?”
The marriage can’t happen before the resurrection, otherwise only believers who were alive at the time could be considered part of the church, and that can’t possibly be a correct interpretation. So any wedding can’t take place before the first resurrection, when all members of the church, living and dead, are reunited with Christ, and that takes place at the end of the tribulation.
Except there is not one first resurrection, pretribs tell us, there are three: Jesus' resurrection, a pretrib resurrection, and the first resurrection of Rev. 20:4. Just like there are three comings.
This is so convoluted and so much conflation, we'll have to take it clause by clause.
The condemnation of God doesn’t happen until after Christ returns In this start you are spot on, God does not deliver the Earth over to the machinations of satan until Christ comes in the clouds to remove His Body of believers. These that will be removed will return after the Tribulation as His Bride.
it is Christ that treads the winepress of God’s wrath. Once again you are correct but you have apparently omitted all the events prior to this treading the winepress. In the harvests, the barley is first, and to harvest the grain from the stalks one need only wave the stalks in the air to release the grain. Next harvested is the wheat. To get the grain from the stalks with wheat the bundles are crushed with a tribulum dragged over the stalks and the grain is crushed out of what becomes the chaff. By the time we get to the harvesting of grapes and the treading of the winepress, there have been previous harvests. The barley prefigures the Rapture harvest of the believers in Christ. The tribulum crushing the grains from the stalks of wheat prefigures those who will become real believers during the events occurring upon the earth during the tribulation. By the time the winepress 'occurs' the only thing left are the unbelievers, those who have refused to believe Jesus is the ONLY means of deliverance and eternal life as God offers to bring life tot he dead souls of men.
By that time, we’ll all be resurrected in glorified bodies, so we won’t have to worry about being “collateral damage". Again, close, but the orientation seems askew. When the barley harvest, er, I mean the Rapture happens, the dead in Christ who died during the Church Age together with those alive in Christ at the moment of the harvest, er, I mean Rapture of the Church, will be --as Paul put it, telling the Corinthians that he was showing them a mystery, something hidden and just being revealed-- transformed, I a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, then together (as Paul wrote in 2 Thess 2) as a gathering together unto Him, The Christ, we shall be departed to where Jesus told His disciples He was going to prepare for them and come to take them THERE, not uppn the EArth, THERE, in Heaven. While the born from above are in Heaven, going before the Bema Seat of Christ, the seventieth week of Daniel's Prophecy will run on the earth, with the wheat being tribulumed, er, I mean the unbelievers being subject to growing wrath.
God has not appointed us unto wrath, but to obtain Salvation/Deliverance. God will not put His life in a believer only to then subject them to His wrath. The wrath of satan and of men has been doing that to The Church members since the first century AD. God will remove His chosen before He sends His wrath, as He releases by removing the Restrainer out of the way.
The seventieth week of Daniel's prophecy, whose purpose is int he previous post from Daniel 9, that seventieth week begins when a 'safety' deal is made with the evil one's representative, 'guaranteeing' safety for Israel so Israel need not keep their armies on constant alert for islamic attack. The 'safety' treaty is hallmarked by severe military actions wiping out some gathering to assault Israel and annihilate her. The scene into which this 'giver of safety' strides for making deals is not a pleasant world. Jesus described the state of things world-wide in the Olivet Discourse recorded in Matthew 24 and Mark 13. The hellish state will already be started, so those in Christ will already be gone with The Christ back to where He has been preparing a place for the born from above.
Yes, the above represents my opinion, the way I read the scriptures after decades in them as a born from above member of The Body of Christ. If you wish to discuss this further, I will do so with you in a spirit of comity. But I have not insulted your opinion so I would expect the same in return even as you offer your extensive opinion doubtless derived from years of study also.
If America is to have revival, I see the Truth of the imminency of the Rapture as an anchor to which revival can be secured. The Septuagint was replete with signs to watch for so a precise timing of the seventieth week of Daniel culmination could be calculated. There are no such signs of fulfillment in order for the Rapture to happen. The Bible makes it clear we are to be always alert to His coming int he Air to snatch away His Church, His body of believers accumulating during the Church Age. But as to the Second return to touch down upon the Mt of Olives, there are numerous signs for timing that arrival.