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To: editor-surveyor

We are no longer under the law, which has been explained many times on the threads previously.....The commandments were given to us to reveal we are sinners...without the law how would we know if we were sinning.

If Jesus Christ is living and dwelling in our hearts, we cannot help but have good works in our lives for it is He living His life through us..... doing good for others, helping those less fortunate than ourselves. Letting our light shine before men, so they will glorify our Father which is in heaven.

If we rely and are in Jesus Christ, we will have corresponding works. But our works will not save us, because we are saved by grace.


392 posted on 07/22/2015 8:42:42 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
We are no longer under the law, which has been explained many times on the threads previously.....The commandments were given to us to reveal we are sinners...without the law how would we know if we were sinning.

IF we are no longer under the law, then there is no such thing called sin. Sin is the transgression of the law. So, any 'god' or Jesus, will suffice, because "Thou shalt have no other gods before me...." no longer applies in your claim.

If Jesus Christ is living and dwelling in our hearts, we cannot help but have good works in our lives for it is He living His life through us..... doing good for others, helping those less fortunate than ourselves. Letting our light shine before men, so they will glorify our Father which is in heaven.

Jesus Christ is living His life through us....? He is life, symbolic of that 'tree of life' in the Garden of Eden, without Him there is no life.

If we rely and are in Jesus Christ, we will have corresponding works. But our works will not save us, because we are saved by grace.

By this logic everybody is saved. How does one demonstrate they 'rely and are in Jesus Christ'? Not to all the people, but to the Heavenly Father? The only record that counts is the record The Creator keeps... only He knows the purity of each individual heart. The best any of us can do is test the fruit and study to show ourselves approved. Grace is unmerited favor, we cannot earn grace. However, The Creator did send an instruction Book that Christ did warn ...

This 'born again' doctrine misses the instruction Christ gave. Souls have a choice to take this flesh journey. All souls come from above, and those souls that willingly take this flesh journey have passed the first test to 'see' the kingdom of God. Those son of God, back in Genesis 6 and are described in Jude as well as other places refused to take this flesh journey. They have already been sentenced like the devil to death. All other souls will not have that 'Judgment Day' until after that 'day of the LORD' that Ezekiel describe in his last chapters.

Of course our works are not salvation, but IF one is truly saved they will indeed have works. And keep His commandments...

All souls return to the Maker that sent them, the good the bad the 'ugly'. Just as was demonstrated in the parable of the rich man... but the overcomers were separated by a 'gulf' from those that did their own thing. Interesting that Abraham was used to demonstrate an overcomer Christian.

411 posted on 07/22/2015 9:29:28 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: caww

Your misunderstanding is a common one.

Only those that are outside the law are under the law.

Those upon whose hearts the law has been written are not under the law because we literally live the law.

Rather amusing that you believe John and Paul to be so wrong.

Who would you turn to?


444 posted on 07/22/2015 11:58:25 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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