Posted on 07/08/2015 12:33:47 PM PDT by Salvation
The leftists just might eliminate their votes! LOL!
God gives you the rights of which you speak.
Aren’t you glad your mother didn’t have an abortion.
Always remember that God is PRO-LIFE!
He will wait for you to repent of your attitude.
We had a lady here in our condo association who chose to kill herself.
Guess she couldn’t offer up the pain and join Christ in HIS pain.
This is physician assisted.
Anyone who assists another in dying — are they a killer?
Anyone who assists another in dying — are they a killer?
1 Peter 4:
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
I believe it is something a doctor who is a believer should consider very careful, and then refuse to do it, let it be on the hands of the unbelievers.
Jesus Himself said, greater love hath no man than to give his life for his friends... And, I believe, the person would not die, even then, if the Lord didn't will it so... Either way, I believe that soldier would have a place reserved in Heaven, just for being willing to die for love of others.
Jesus Himself said, greater love hath no man than to give his life for his friends... And, I believe, the person would not die, even then, if the Lord didn’t will it so... Either way, I believe that soldier would have a place reserved in Heaven, just for being willing to die for love of others.
There are a lot of different ways to give your life for some one or something if circumstances arise.
That's interesting... Both, I guess. I don't know how those around the patient, could live with themselves after being complicit in another's suicide: to me, that's tantamount to murder. And if the person in question suffers in the afterlife for choosing as they did, then those who helped will have to answer for that as well. You brought up an interesting dimension to the question. How do the enablers throughout the patient care hierarchy, live with what they've done?
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That’s interesting... Both, I guess. I don’t know how those around the patient, could live with themselves after being complicit in another’s suicide:
I hate the idea of doctor assisted suicides as it is kind of like bounty hunting or killing for hire.
At the same time I have to remember only God can see the hearts of the ones who are on either end of the game.
One instance which comes to mind is the apostle Paul who was by some definations a killer for hire.
Acts chapter 7:58-60 chapter 8:1-3
1 Corinthians 15
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
The out come of it all was that Steven was raised to glory land and Paul became a Christian who hated what he did so much that it was a thorn in his side for the rest of his life.
And any one who reads his writing can see that it actually caused him to be over zealous and too controversial on the opposite side but even so God can read hearts.
Yours obviously did though.
I believe in my heart that a person is entitled to the last moment of life God gives them, until natural death. I agree that only God can read a person's conscience, but is the desire on the part of the family? Do they consider death somehow "undignified?" Our Lord is the perfect example: stripped; crucified, outside the city walls where the garbage was dumped; He drank that Cup of suffering to the dregs, until all was finished and He gave up His Soul to Our loving Father. He is our example that death, no matter how difficult, how traumatic for a person's loved ones, is part of our humanity and not undignified on the eyes of God.
We cry when we lose a loved one- for ourselves, because we miss them. Families who think this is somehow a humane act must remember, Thou Shalt Not Kill, and put into perspective whose pain they are actually taking into consideration- their loved one's, their own?
Assisted suicide is not self-defense, nor defense of God and country. It is attempting to hasten or introduce a process which is God's alone to decide upon.,
One instance which comes to mind is the apostle Paul who was by some definations a killer for hire. Acts chapter 7:58-60 chapter 8:1-3 1 Corinthians 15 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
St. Paul, IMHO, was unique in his position for a variety of reasons. 1. He was a Roman citizen, so they kept off his back before his conversion. 2. Remember that the Jews are a people, not just a Faith. There was a bit of a political element in there, too. 3. Oral Sacred Tradition was part of Jewish learning for centuries-including the time of Jesus; it wasn't until the destruction of the 2nd Temple in 200ad that it was written. One of the Rabbis whose highly-respected commentary was included, was Gamaliel, at whose feet St. Paul studied.
My point is, it was not a simple matter of hatred, as with Muslims today. There were other factors, other reasons, why Saul was so zealous to squash this new sect. It wasn't until Jesus Himself defined it as persecution, that Saul realized his zeal was misdirected.
A soul who does not complete the race, nor finish the life God planned from his/her conception is protecting no one, nor defending an ideal. They are taking into their hands fruit that is forbidden, as did our first parents. We are not God and cannot decide for ourselves or another. For me, the man at the Falls was an example of the Will of God over that of man- and God's exclusive right to decide one's time to be called to Him.
The out come of it all was that Steven was raised to glory land and Paul became a Christian who hated what he did so much that it was a thorn in his side for the rest of his life.
And any one who reads his writing can see that it actually caused him to be over zealous and too controversial on the opposite side but even so God can read hearts.
I believe that the heart of Saul, as I said, was misdirected, but a good one, nonetheless. He felt he was doing the right thing, but then Jesus guided him Himself. You bring some good points into the discussion: St. Paul regretted what he did; he, in turn suffered for the spreading of the Word he had once despised; he turned his life completely around, and did not abandon his flocks, but kept his ear to the ground and kept in touch to advise and admonish where necessary.
God does read our hearts, considers all things, and is just and merciful. But I in my heart believe that assisted suicide is murder, and a slippery slope in the respect for the life, including suffering, that God allows us- until He decides to call us home to Him. Paul is a profound example of the acceptance of suffering. Each of us, as followers of Jesus, would do well to imitate him and accept, rather than shorten the trials sent to us, or allowed to befall us, through God's Holy Will!
How sad...
But I in my heart believe that assisted suicide is murder,
At the same time I believe only God knows the facts, if a man shoots himself in the head how do we know that he did not hang on until the last second?
I am not upholding the suicide doctors nor the legalization of it, I am only upholding the peoples right to end their life if they want and at the same time have a lot of doubt if any one actually has the choice or just thinks they do.
Other than those doubts I will say you are right on target.
FWIW, I believe that any time that another person's willing act is performed for someone to commit suicide, it is an act of murder on that other person's part.
When seen in that light, the morality of "assisted suicide" is very black-and-white for me.
When seen in that light, the morality of “assisted suicide” is very black-and-white for me.
1 Peter 4
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters
If a Christian commits murder it is the Christian who does the murder who suffers.
The murdering doctors are most likely not Christians but like Paul may actually repent, just a thought.
Another ping to this thread.
Suicide is an evil thing, although perhaps less so if the person who does it is mentally ill.
But "assisted suicide" is libspeak for getting a doctor to kill someone. That is another kind of evil. Doctors are supposed to save lives, not take them. The ancient oath that all doctors took for thousands of years, until some med schools dropped it, is "Do no harm."
We have gotten to the point where you no longer can trust some doctors to do no harm. That, I am afraid, is the intention of liberals who push bills like this. Like Hitler, they want to euthanize the "useless eaters."
It's like gay marriage. The real purpose is not to make everyone equal, but to destroy the institution of marriage and undermine families.
This begins by them saying they are “assisting suicide”, but the truth is that, for their own motives, they want to murder. Even the pretense of “assisted suicide” doesn’t last long before their blood lust takes control of them, and they start murdering those who cannot ask to die; then those who would not ask to die, but are unable to say no to the murderers; then finally openly murdering any they can without even notifying their families.
In Britain, their preferred and cheapest means of murder is to deny even conscious and unwilling victims water and food. Murder by starvation.
And, truth be told, serial murderers will not stop murdering just because they are asked. They are as addicted to it as are heroin junkies. What may convince them to stop is if they feel their own lives are on the line, that there might be retribution against them for their acts of murder.
Not heavenly retribution, because most such are not occupied with concerns about heaven. Fears of Earthly retribution are more to the point.
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