[metmom]

Are you saying that you can tell who is "Born from above" and who isn't? Does this also include the ability to determine who is saved and who isn't as well?

Hello. It's the same thing.

Someone who is born from above IS saved.

[MHGinTN]

That does seem to be the sticking point for catholics. They have been taught to think of 'saved' as something they can eventually obtain, after a long and arduous journey keeping catholic sacraments and making lots of confessions and repeating lots of Hail Marys and other incantations.

It is hard to conceptualize an event that takes place the moment one believes in Jesus as their Redeemer and their Lord. Catholics have been conditioned to think of saved as something they must strive for, seek to journey toward.

Being born from above would be hard to conceptualize with such a long drawn out process as catholic salvation. Additionally, catholics have been conditioned to believe they can lose that trail toward obtaining salvation nd have to re-up, again and again.

[CynicalBear]

>>Someone who is born from above IS saved.<<

That's a truth obviously lost on most Catholics unfortunately.