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Did the Early Church Fathers Believe in Sola Scriptura?
Reclaiming the Mind ^ | April 25,2015 | C Michael Patton

Posted on 06/29/2015 11:23:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7

Definition of Sola Scriptura

Sola Scriptura: the reformed Protestant belief that the Scriptures alone are the final and only infallible authority for the Christian. This does not mean that Scriptures are the only authority (nuda or solo Scriptura), as Protestants believe in the authority of tradition, reason, experience, and emotions to varying degrees (after all, “sola scriptura” itself is an authoritative tradition in Protestantism). It does mean that Scripture trumps all other authorities (it is the norma normans sed non normata Lat. “norm that norms which is not normed”).

Scripture is the norma normans sed non normata “norm that norms which is not normed”

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Controversy of Sola Scriptura

Sometimes people get the idea that sola Scriptura was a 16th-century invention. While it was definitely articulated a great deal through the controversies during the Reformation, its basic principles can be found deep in church history. Take a look at some of these early church fathers who seemed to believe in the primacy of Scripture:

Related Resource: Six Myths About Sola Scriptura by C. Michael Patton

Hippolytus (170-235)

There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no…

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“There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source. For just as a man, if he wishes to be skilled in the wisdom of this world, will find himself unable to get at it in any other way than by mastering the dogmas of philosophers, so all of us who wish to practise piety will be unable to learn its practice from any other quarter than the oracles of God. Whatever things, then, the Holy Scriptures declare, at these let us took; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn; and as the Father wills our belief to be, let us believe; and as He wills the Son to be glorified, let us glorify Him; and as He wills the Holy Spirit to be bestowed, let us receive Him. Not according to our own will, nor according to our own mind, nor yet as using violently those things which are given by God, but even as He has chosen to teach them by the Holy Scriptures, so let us discern them.” (Against the Heresy of One Noetus, 1-4, 7-9)

Irenaeus (175)

“They [heretics] gather their views from other sources than the Scriptures. We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith.

For they [the Apostles] were desirous that these men should be very perfect and blameless in all things, whom also they were leaving behind as their successors, delivering up their own place of government to these men; which men, if they discharged their functions honestly, would be a great boon to the Church, but if they should fall away, the direst calamity. Proofs of the things which are contained in the Scriptures cannot be shown except from the Scriptures themselves.”  (Against Heresies, 1:8:1, 3:1:1, 3:3:1, 3:12:9)

Recommended Book: The Shape of Sola Scripura by Keith Mathison

Ambrose (330-397)

“For how can we adopt those things which we do not find in the holy Scriptures?” (On the Duties of the Clergy, 1:23:102)

For how can we adopt those things which we do not find in the holy Scriptures?

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“The Arians, then, say that Christ is unlike the Father; we deny it. Nay, indeed, we shrink in dread from the word. Nevertheless I would not that your sacred Majesty should trust to argument and our disputation. Let us enquire of the Scriptures, of apostles, of prophets, of Christ. In a word, let us enquire of the Father. So, indeed, following the guidance of the Scriptures, our fathers [at the Council of Nicaea] declared, holding, moreover, that impious doctrines should be included in the record of their decrees, in order that the unbelief of Arius should discover itself, and not, as it were, mask itself with dye or face-paint.” (Exposition of the Christian Faith, 1:6:43, 1:18:119)

Clement of Alexandria (150-215)

“But those who are ready to toil in the most excellent pursuits will not desist from the search after truth until they get the demonstration from the Scriptures themselves.” – Clement of Alexandria (The Stromata, 7:16)

Augustine (354–430)

Scripture has a sacredness peculiar to itself. -St. Augustine

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“In order to leave room for such profitable discussions of difficult questions, there is a distinct boundary line separating all productions subsequent to apostolic times from the authoritative canonical books of the Old and New Testaments. The authority of these books has come down to us from the apostles through the successions of bishops and the extension of the Church, and, from a position of lofty supremacy, claims the submission of every faithful and pious mind. In the innumerable books that have been written latterly we may sometimes find the same truth as in Scripture, but there is not the same authority. Scripture has a sacredness peculiar to itself.” – Augustine (Reply to Faustus the Manichaean, 11:5)

“Every sickness of the soul hath in Scripture its proper remedy.”  (Expositions on the Psalms, 37:2; notice the sufficiency of Scripture being iterated here)

Cyprian (248)

“Let nothing be innovated, says he, nothing maintained, except what has been handed down. Whence is that tradition? Whether does it descend from the authority of the Lord and of the Gospel, or does it come from the commands and the epistles of the apostles? For that those things which are written must be done, God witnesses and admonishes, saying to Joshua the son of Nun: ‘The book of this law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate in it day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein.’ Also the Lord, sending His apostles, commands that the nations should be baptized, and taught to observe all things which He commanded. If, therefore, it is either prescribed in the Gospel, or contained in the epistles or Acts of the Apostles, that those who come from any heresy should not be baptized, but only hands laid upon them to repentance, let this divine and holy tradition be observed.” (Letter 73:2)

Cyril of Jerusalem (313-386)

“For concerning the divine and holy mysteries of the Faith, not even a casual statement must be delivered without the Holy Scriptures; nor must we be drawn aside by mere plausibility and artifices of speech. Even to me, who tell thee these things, give not absolute credence, unless thou receive the proof of the things which I announce from the Divine Scriptures. For this salvation which we believe depends not on ingenious reasoning, but on demonstration of the Holy Scriptures.” (Catechetical Lectures, 4:17)

For this salvation is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures. -Cyril

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“This seal have thou ever on thy mind; which now by way of summary has been touched on in its heads, and if the Lord grant, shall hereafter be set forth according to our power, with Scripture-proofs. For concerning the divine and sacred Mysteries of the Faith, we ought not to deliver even the most casual remark without the Holy Scriptures: nor be drawn aside by mere probabilities and the artifices of argument. Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures.” (A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church, Oxford: Parker, 1845, The Catechetical Lectures of S. Cyril 4.17).

Dionysius of Alexandria (265)

“Nor did we evade objections, but we endeavored as far as possible to hold to and confirm the things which lay before us, and if the reason given satisfied us, we were not ashamed to change our opinions and agree with others; but on the contrary, conscientiously and sincerely, and with hearts laid open before God, we accepted whatever was established by the proofs and teachings of the Holy Scriptures.”  (Cited in Ecclesiastical History, Eusebius, 7:24)

We accepted whatever was established by the teachings of the Holy Scriptures. -Dionysius

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Gregory of Nyssa (335-394)

“We make the Holy Scriptures the rule and the measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intention of those writings.

And to those who are expert only in the technical methods of proof a mere demonstration suffices to convince; but as for ourselves, we were agreed that there is something more trustworthy than any of these artificial conclusions, namely, that which the teachings of Holy Scripture point to: and so I deem that it is necessary to inquire, in addition to what has been said, whether this inspired teaching harmonizes with it all. And who, she replied, could deny that truth is to be found only in that upon which the seal of Scriptural testimony is set?” –  (“On the Soul and the Resurrection” A Select Library of Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers of the Christian Church, 442)

Basil the Great (379)

Enjoying as you do the consolation of the Holy Scriptures, you stand in need neither of my assistance nor of that of anybody else to help you comprehend your duty. You have the all-sufficient counsel and guidance of the Holy Spirit to lead you to what is right (Letter CCLXXXIII, ANCF, p. 312).

Hilary of Poitiers (300-368)

“Their treason involves us in the difficult and dangerous position of having to make a definite pronouncement, beyond the statements of Scripture, upon this grave and abstruse matter….We must proclaim, exactly as we shall find them in the words of Scripture, the majesty and functions of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and so debar the heretics from robbing these Names of their connotation of Divine character, and compel them by means of these very Names to confine their use of terms to their proper meaning….I would not have you flatter the Son with praises of your own invention; it is well with you if you be satisfied with the written word.”  (On the Trinity, 2:5, 3:23)

Recommended Reading: Now that I’m a Christian by C. Michael Patton (has a lengthy discussion in chapter one on the different types of authority and how they interact with Scripture)

Jerome (347-420)

“When, then, anything in my little work seems to you harsh, have regard not to my words, but to the Scripture, whence they are taken.”  (Letter, 48:20)

“I beg of you, my dear brother, to live among these books [Scriptures], to meditate upon them, to know nothing else, to seek nothing else.” (Letter, 53:10)

Theodoret (393-457)

“I shall yield to scripture alone.” (Dialogues, 1)

“I shall yield to scripture alone.” Theodoret

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Conclusion

Here is a good quote from J. N. D. Kelly to sum it all up:

The clearest token of the prestige enjoyed by (Scripture) is the fact that almost the entire theological effort of the Fathers, whether their aims were polemical or constructive, was expended upon what amounted to the exposition of the Bible. Further, it was everywhere taken for granted that, for any doctrine to win acceptance, it had first to establish its Scriptural basis (Early Christian Doctrines, San Francisco: Harper & Row, 1978, pp. 42, 46).

Every sickness of the soul hath in Scripture its proper remedy. -St. Augustine


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To: Petrosius

Spin it son, spin it! When was the Great Schism?


141 posted on 06/29/2015 10:03:48 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

Priory of the Golden Pelican

or

Priory of the (CHOOSE:

aureate
aurelian

auric
auriferous

aurous
gilded

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PELICAN


142 posted on 06/29/2015 10:06:26 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Auric, use Auric ... remember Auric Goldfinger?


143 posted on 06/29/2015 10:07:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

Domus Aurei Pelican

House of the Golden Pelican in Latin

Auream Pelican sui Sacrificii

Self-Sacrifice of the Golden Pelican

Esse Pelicane

Be the Pelican

You transition into the Pelican

Vos transitus in medium Pelican

.............

Don’t make fun of my new faith! lol


144 posted on 06/29/2015 10:14:42 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: MHGinTN

Gold Goldfinger

lol

Gold finger

aurum digito

according to Google Translate


145 posted on 06/29/2015 10:15:54 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: MHGinTN
The Great Schism was in 1054, i.e. 500 years after the Eastern bishops had signed the Formula recognizing the position of the pope.

Here are some more quotes to show that the Eastern bishops did indeed recognize the authority of the pope:

ALEXANDRIA

St. Athanasius (362 A.D.):

Rome is called "the Apostolic throne." (Athanasius, Hist. Arian, ad Monach. n. 35).

The Council of Sardica (342 A.D.)

...A Council presided over by St. Athanasius of Alexandria:

"If any bishop looses the judgment in some case [decided by his fellow bishops] and still believes that he has not a bad but a good case, in order that the case may be judged anew ...***let us honor the memory of the Apostle Peter by having those who have given the judgment write to Julius, Bishop of Rome***, so that if it seem proper ***he may himself send arbiters*** and the judgment may be made again by the bishops of a neighboring province." (Council of Sardica, Canon 3, 342 A.D.)

Pope St. Julius I (342):

Writing to the Byzantine court after Athanasius had been deposed from the Alexandrian see by the Arians .....

"It behoved you to write to us that thus what is just might be decreed for all. For they who suffered were Bishops, and the Churches that suffered no common ones, over which the Apostles ruled in person. And why were we (the Pope) not written to concerning the Church, **especially Alexandria**? Or are they (the Arians) ignorant that this has been the Tradition first to write to us, and thus what is just be decreed from this place (Rome)? If therefore, any such suspicion fell upon the bishop there (Alexandria), it was benefitting to write to this Church (Rome)." (Julius, Ep. n. 6,21.)

St. Cyril of Alexandria (c. 431)

"He (Christ) promises to found the Church, assigning immovableness to it, as He is the Lord of strength, and over this He sets Peter as shepherd." (Cyril, Comm. on Matt., ad loc.)

"They (the Apostles) strove to learn through one, that preeminent one, Peter." (Cyril, Ib. 1. ix. p. 736).

The Council of Ephesus (431):

....a council presided over by St. Cyril of Alexandria, in which the Roman presbyter Philip declared:

"There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the Apostles, pillar of the faith and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the Keys of the Kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the human race, and to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins; who down even to this day and forever both lives and judges in his successors. The holy and most blessed Pope Celestine, according to due order, is his successor and holds his place." (Acts of the Council of Ephesus, session 3).

Eulogius of Alexandria (581 A.D.):

"Neither to John, nor to any other of the disciples, did our Savior say, 'I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven,' but only to Peter. (Eulogius, Lib. ii. Cont. Novatian. ap. Photium, Biblioth, cod. 280)

ANTIOCH

Theodoret, Bishop of Cyrus in Syria (450):

"I therefore beseech your holiness to persuade the most holy and blessed bishop (Pope Leo) to use his Apostolic power, and to order me to hasten to your Council. For that most holy throne (Rome) has the sovereignty over the churches throughout the universe on many grounds." (Theodoret, Tom. iv. Epist. cxvi. Renato, p. 1197).

"It pertains to you (Pope Leo) to hold the primacy in all things, for your throne is adorned with many prerogatives." (Theodoret Ibid, Epist. Leoni)

"If Paul, the herald of the truth, the trumpet of the Holy Spirit, hastened to the great Peter, to convey from him the solution to those in Antioch, who were at issue about living under the law, how much more do we, poor and humble, run to the Apostolic Throne (Rome) to receive from you (Pope Leo) healing for wounds of the the Churches. For it pertains to you to have primacy in all things; for your throne is adorned with many prerogatives." (Theodoret Ibid, Epistle Leoni)

"For that all holy throne has the office of heading the Churches of the whole world, for many reasons; and, above all others, because it has remained free of the communion of heretical taint, and no one holding heterodox sentiments ever sat in it, but it has preserved the Apostolic grace unsullied." (Theodoret, Epist Renato)

"Hasten to your Apostolic See in order to receive from you a cure for the wounds of the Church. For every reason it is fitting for you to hold the first place, inasmuch as your see is adorned with many priviledges. I have been condemned without trial. But I await the sentence of your Apostolic See. I beseech and implore Your Holiness to succor me in my appeal to your fair and righteous tribunal. Bid me hasten to you and prove to you that my teaching follows in the footsteps of the Apostles." (Theodoret to Pope Leo, Ep. 113).

St. Eusebius of Doryleum (450): ...writing to Pope Leo:

"The Apostolic throne has been wont from the beginning to defend those who are suffering injustice. I entreat Your Blessedness, give me back the dignity of my episcopate and communion with yourself, by letters from you to my lowliness bestowing on me my rank and communion." (Eusebius of Doryleum to Pope Leo)

JERUSALEM

St. Sophronius, Patriarch of Jerusalem (c. 638):

"Teaching us all orthodoxy and destroying all heresy and driving it away from the God-protected halls of our holy Catholic Church. And together with these inspired syllables and characters, I accept all his (the Pope's) letters and teachings as proceeding from the mouth of Peter the Coryphaeus, and I kiss them and salute them and embrace them with all my soul ... I recognize the latter as definitions of Peter and the former as those of Mark, and besides, all the heaven-taught teachings of all the chosen mystagogues of our Catholic Church." (Sophronius, Mansi, xi. 461)

"Transverse quickly all the world from one end to the other until you come to the Apostolic See (Rome), where are the foundations of the orthodox doctrine. Make clearly known to the most holy personages of that throne the questions agitated among us. Cease not to pray and to beg them until their apostolic and Divine wisdom shall have pronounced the victorious judgment and destroyed from the foundation ...the new heresy." (Sophronius,[quoted by Bishop Stephen of Dora to Pope Martin I at the Lateran Council], Mansi, x., 893)

Stephen, Bishop of Dora in Palestine (645):

The disciple of Patriarch Sophronius, ....

"And for this cause, sometimes we ask for water to our head and to our eyes a fountain of tears, sometimes the wings of a dove, according to holy David, that we might fly away and announce these things to the Chair (the Chair of Peter at Rome) which rules and presides over all, I mean to yours, the head and highest, for the healing of the whole wound. For this it has been accustomed to do from old and from the beginning with power by its canonical or apostolic authority, because the truly great Peter, head of the Apostles, was clearly thought worthy not only to be trusted with the keys of heaven, alone apart from the rest, to open it worthily to believers, or to close it justly to those who disbelieve the Gospel of grace, but because he was also commissioned to feed the sheep of the whole Catholic Church; for 'Peter,' saith He, 'lovest thou Me? Feed My sheep.' And again, because he had in a manner peculiar and special, a faith in the Lord stronger than all and unchangeable, to be converted and to confirm his fellows and spiritual brethren when tossed about, as having been adorned by God Himself incarnate for us with power and sacerdotal authority .....And Sophronius of blessed memory, who was Patriarch of the holy city of Christ our God, and under whom I was bishop, conferring not with flesh and blood, but caring only for the things of Christ with respect to your Holiness, hastened to send my nothingness without delay about this matter alone to this Apostolic see, where are the foundations of holy doctrine." (Sophronius, to Pope Martin I at the Lateran Council, Mansi, x., 893)

CYPRUS

Sergius, Metropolitain of Cyprus (649 A.D.)

He writes to Pope Theodore, ....

"O Holy Head, Christ our God hath destined thy Apostolic See to be an immovable foundation and a pillar of the Faith. For thou art, as the Divine Word truly saith, Peter, and on thee as a foundation-stone have the pillars of the Church been fixed." (Sergius Ep. ad Theod. lecta in Sess. ii. Concil. Lat. anno 649)

CONSTANTINOPLE:

St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople (c. 387):

"For this is the one great privilege of our city, Antioch, that it received the leader of the Apostles (Peter) as its teacher in the beginning. For it was right that she who was first adorned with the name of Christians, before the whole world, should receive the first of the apostles as her pastor. But though we received him as teacher, we did not retain him to the end, but gave him up to royal Rome." (Chrysostom, On the Inscription of the Acts, II. Taken from Documents Illustrating Papal Authority (London: SPCK, 1952), E. Giles, Ed., p. 168. Cf. Chapman, Studies on the Early Papacy, p. 96).

"And why, then, passing by the others, does He converse with Peter on these things? (John 21:15). He was the chosen one of the Apostles, and the mouth of the disciples, and the leader of the choir. On this account, Paul also went up on a time to see him rather than the others (Galatians 1:18). And withal, to show him that he must thenceforward have confidence, as the denial was done away with, He puts into his hands the presidency over the brethren. And He brings not forward the denial, nor reproches him with what had past, but says, 'If you love me, preside over the brethren, ...and the third time He gives him the same injunction, showing what a price He sets the presidency over His own sheep. And if one should say, 'How then did James receive the throne of Jerusalem?,' this I would answer that He appointed this man (Peter) teacher, not of that throne, but of the whole world." (Chrysostom, In Joan. Hom. 1xxxviii. n. 1, tom. viii)

Eutyches the Monophysite (448): ....writing to Pope Leo the Great:

"I take refuge, therefore, with you, the defender of religion and abhorrer of such factions. ...I beseech you not to be prejudiced against me by their insidious designs about me, but to pronounce the sentence which shall seem to you right upon the Faith." (Eutyches to Pope Leo, Ep. 21. )

Flavian, Patriarch of Constantinople (449): ...writing to Pope Leo:

"When I began to appeal to the throne of the Apostolic See of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, and to the whole sacred synod, which is obedient to Your Holiness, at once a crowd of soldiers surrounded me and barred my way when I wished to take refuge at the holy altar. ...Therefore, I beseech Your Holiness not to permit these things to be treated with indifference ...but to rise up first on behalf of the cause of our orthodox Faith, now destroyed by unlawful acts. ...Further to issue an authoritative instruction ...so that a like faith may everywhere be preached by the assembly of an united synod of fathers, both Eastern and Western. Thus the laws of the fathers may prevail and all that has been done amiss be rendered null and void. Bring healing to this ghastly wound. (Patriarch Flavian of Constantinople to Pope Leo, 449).

The Council of Chalcedon (451) --composed of 600 Eastern bishops, to Pope Leo:

"For if 'where two or three are gathered together in His name' He has said that 'there He is in the midst of them," must He not have been much more particularly present with 520 priests, who preferred the spread of knowledge concerning Him ...Of whom you were Chief, as Head to the members, showing your good will." ---Chalcedon to Pope Leo (Repletum est Gaudio), November 451.

"You are set as an interpreter to all of the voice of blessed Peter, and to all you impart the blessings of that Faith." ---Chalcedon to Pope Leo, Ep. 98

"Besides all this, he extended his fury even against him who had been charged with the custody of the vine by the Savior. We refer to Your Holiness." ---Chalcedon to Pope Leo, Ep. 98.

"You have often extended your Apostolic radiance even to the Church of Constantinople." --Chalcedon to Pope Leo, Ep. 98.

"Knowing that every success of the children rebounds to the parents, we therefore beg you to honor our decision by your assent, and as we have yielded agreement to the Head in noble things, so may the Head also fulfill what is fitting for the children." --Chalcedon to Pope Leo, Ep. 98.

Anatolius, Patriarch of Constantinople (453):

...writing to Pope Leo to apologize for the Council of Chalcedon trying to make Constantinople the 2nd See after Rome. He defers to Rome's ruling:

"As for those things which the universal Council of Chalcedon recently ordained in favor of the Church of Constantinople, let Your Holiness be sure that there was no fault in me, who from my youth have always loved peace and quiet, keeping myself in humility. It was the most reverend clergy of the Church of Constantinople who were eager about it, and they were equally supported by the most reverend priests of those parts, who agreed about it. Even so, the whole force of confirmation of the acts was reserved for the authority of Your Blessedness. Therefore, let Your Holiness know for certain that I did nothing to further the matter, knowing always that I held myself bound to avoid the lusts of pride and covetousness." ---Patriarch Anatolius of Constantinople to Pope Leo, Ep 132 (on the subject of canon 28 of Chalcedon).

Macedonius, Patriarch of Constantinople (466-516):

"Macedonius declared, when desired by the Emperor Anastasius to condemn the Council of Chalcedon, that 'such a step without an Ecumenical Synod presided over by the Pope of Rome is impossible.'" (Macedonius, Patr. Graec. 108: 360a (Theophan. Chronogr. pp. 234-346 seq.)

The Emperor Justinian (520-533):

Writing to the Pope, ...

"Yielding honor to the Apostolic See and to Your Holiness, and honoring your Holiness, as one ought to honor a father, we have hastened to subject all the priests of the whole Eastern district, and to unite them to the See of your Holiness, for we do not allow of any point, however manifest and indisputable it be, which relates to the state of the Churches, not being brought to the cognizance of your Holiness, since you are the Head of all the holy Churches." (Justinian Epist. ad. Pap. Joan. ii. Cod. Justin. lib. I. tit. 1).

"Let your Apostleship show that you have worthily succeeded to the Apostle Peter, since the Lord will work through you, as Surpreme Pastor, the salvation of all." (Coll. Avell. Ep. 196, July 9th, 520, Justinian to Pope Hormisdas).

St. Maximus the Confessor (c. 650):

A celebrated theologian and a native of Constantinople, ...

"The extremities of the earth, and everyone in every part of it who purely and rightly confess the Lord, look directly towards the Most Holy Roman Church and her confession and faith, as to a sun of unfailing light awaiting from her the brilliant radiance of the sacred dogmas of our Fathers, according to that which the inspired and holy Councils have stainlessly and piously decreed. For, from the descent of the Incarnate Word amongst us, all the churches in every part of the world have held the greatest Church alone to be their base and foundation, seeing that, according to the promise of Christ Our Savior, the gates of hell will never prevail against her, that she has the keys of the orthodox confession and right faith in Him, that she opens the true and exclusive religion to such men as approach with piety, and she shuts up and locks every heretical mouth which speaks against the Most High." (Maximus, Opuscula theologica et polemica, Migne, Patr. Graec. vol. 90)

"How much more in the case of the clergy and Church of the Romans, which from old until now presides over all the churches which are under the sun? Having surely received this canonically, as well as from councils and the apostles, as from the princes of the latter (Peter & Paul), and being numbered in their company, she is subject to no writings or issues in synodical documents, on account of the eminence of her pontificate .....even as in all these things all are equally subject to her (the Church of Rome) according to sacerodotal law. And so when, without fear, but with all holy and becoming confidence, those ministers (the Popes) are of the truly firm and immovable rock, that is of the most great and Apostolic Church of Rome." (Maximus, in J.B. Mansi, ed. Amplissima Collectio Conciliorum, vol. 10)

"If the Roman See recognizes Pyrrhus to be not only a reprobate but a heretic, it is certainly plain that everyone who anathematizes those who have rejected Pyrrhus also anathematizes the See of Rome, that is, he anathematizes the Catholic Church. I need hardly add that he excommunicates himself also, if indeed he is in communion with the Roman See and the Catholic Church of God ...Let him hasten before all things to satisfy the Roman See, for if it is satisfied, all will agree in calling him pious and orthodox. For he only speaks in vain who thinks he ought to pursuade or entrap persons like myself, and does not satisfy and implore the blessed Pope of the most holy Catholic Church of the Romans, that is, the Apostolic See, which is from the incarnate of the Son of God Himself, and also all the holy synods, accodring to the holy canons and definitions has received universal and surpreme dominion, authority, and power of binding and loosing over all the holy churches of God throughout the whole world." (Maximus, Letter to Peter, in Mansi x, 692).

John VI, Patriarch of Constantinople (715):

"The Pope of Rome, the head of the Christian priesthood, whom in Peter, the Lord commanded to confirm his brethren." (John VI, Epist. ad Constantin. Pap. ad. Combefis, Auctuar. Bibl. P.P. Graec.tom. ii. p. 211, seq.)

St. Nicephorus, Patriarch of Constantinople (758-828):

"Without whom (the Romans presiding in the seventh Council) a doctrine brought forward in the Church could not, even though confirmed by canonical decrees and by ecclesiastical usuage, ever obtain full approval or currency. For it is they (the Popes of Rome) who have had assigned to them the rule in sacred things, and who have received into their hands the dignity of headship among the Apostles." (Nicephorus, Niceph. Cpl. pro. s. imag. c 25 [Mai N. Bibl. pp. ii. 30]).

St. Theodore the Studite of Constantinople (759-826):

Writing to Pope Leo III ....

Since to great Peter Christ our Lord gave the office of Chief Shepherd after entrusting him with the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, to Peter or his successor must of necessity every novelty in the Catholic Church be referred. [Therefore], save us, oh most divine Head of Heads, Chief Shepherd of the Church of Heaven." (Theodore, Bk. I. Ep. 23)

Writing to Pope Paschal, ...

"Hear, O Apostolic Head, divinely-appointed Shepherd of Christ's sheep, keybearer of the Kingdom of Heaven, Rock of the Faith upon whom the Catholic Church is built. For Peter art thou, who adornest and governest the Chair of Peter. Hither, then, from the West, imitator of Christ, arise and repel not for ever (Ps. xliii. 23). To thee spake Christ our Lord: 'And thou being one day converted, shalt strengthen thy brethren.' Behold the hour and the place. Help us, thou that art set by God for this. Stretch forth thy hand so far as thou canst. Thou hast strength with God, through being the first of all. (Letter of St. Theodore and four other Abbots to Pope Paschal, Bk. ii Ep. 12, Patr. Graec. 99, 1152-3)

Writing to Emperor Michael, ...

"Order that the declaration from old Rome be received, as was the custom by Tradition of our Fathers from of old and from the beginning. For this, O Emperor, is the highests of the Churches of God, in which first Peter held the Chair, to whom the Lord said: "Thou art Peter ...and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Theodore, Bk. II. Ep. 86)

"I witness now before God and men, they have torn themselves away from the Body of Christ, from the Surpreme See (Rome), in which Christ placed the keys of the Faith, against which the gates of hell (I mean the mouth of heretics) have not prevailed, and never will until the Consummation, according to the promise of Him Who cannot lie. Let the blessed and Apostolic Paschal (Pope St. Paschal I) rejoice therefore, for he has fulfilled the work of Peter." (Theodore Bk. II. Ep. 63).

"In truth we have seen that a manifest successor of the prince of the Apostles presides over the Roman Church. We truly believe that Christ has not deserted the Church here (Constantinople), for assistance from you has been our one and only aid from of old and from the beginning by the providence of God in the critical times. You are, indeed the untroubled and pure fount of orthodoxy from the beginning, you the calm harbor of the whole Church, far removed from the waves of heresy, you the God-chosen city of refuge." (Letter of St. Theodor & Four Abbots to Pope Paschal).

"Let him (Patriarch Nicephorus of Constantinople) assemble a synod of those with whom he has been at variance, if it is impossible that representatives of the other Patriarchs should be present, a thing which might certainly be if the Emperor should wish the Western Patriarch (the Roman Pope) to be present, to whom is given authority over an ecumenical synod; but let him make peace and union by sending his synodical letters to the prelate of the First See." (Theodore the Studite, Patr. Graec. 99, 1420)

Sts. Cyril & Methodius (c. 865):

"It is not true, as this Canon states, that the holy Fathers gave the primacy to old Rome because it was the capital of the Empire; it is from on high, from divine grace, that this primacy drew its origin. Because of the intensity of his faith Peter, the first of the Apostles, was addressed in these words by our Lord Jesus Christ himself 'Peter, lovest thou me? Feed my sheep'. That is why in hierarchical order Rome holds the pre-eminent place and is the first See. That is why the leges of old Rome are eternally immovable, and that is the view of all the Churches" (Methodius ---N. Brianchaninov, The Russian Church (1931), 46; cited by Butler, Church and Infallibility, 210) (Upon This Rock (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1999), p. 177).

"Because of his primacy, the Pontiff of Rome is not required to attend an Ecumenical Council; but without his participation, manifested by sending some subordinates, every Ecumenical Council is as non-existent, for it is he who presides over the Council." (Ibid.)

St. Symeon the New Theologian (949-1022): "One should not contradict the Latins when they say that the Bishop of Rome is the first. This primacy is not harmful to the Church. Let them only prove his faithfulness to the faith of Peter and to that of the successors of Peter. If it is so, let him enjoy all the privileges of Pontiff. Let the Bishop of Rome be successor of the orthodoxy of Sylvester and Agatho, of Leo, Liberius, Martin and Gregory, then we also will call him Apostolic and the first among the other bishops; then we also will obey him, not only as Peter, but as the Savior Himself." (Symeon the New Theologian, Dialogue Against Heresies 23, PG 155:120 AC; cited in Meyendorff, The Primacy of Peter).

"Since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the bishops' successions of all the city-churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness or wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper (i.e., renegade heretics), by pointing out here the succession of the bishops of the GREATEST and most ancient (i.e., established) church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the Tradition and the Faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the Apostles.  For it is A MATTER OF NECESSITY that all other city-churches agree with this church (Rome) because of its PREEMINENT AUTHORITY."  (Against the Heresies, 3, 3:2). 

146 posted on 06/29/2015 10:28:20 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Amendment10
Again, corrections welcome.

Progressive revelation of Holy Scripture continued from Jesus' ascension throughout the ministry of His Apostles who were the personally supervised and taught practitioners of the discipline of Jesus--God manifest in the flesh--until Beloved John put down his pen at the end of his life, about 65 years after his training under the Messiach of Israel.

At that time, the giving of Holy Scriptures was completed, never to be supplemented by those who were not eyewitnesses and companions of The Christ, to whom His authority was firectly delegated.

However, the Scriptures as we know them were then in the possession of the churches, though the straining out of imitations, corruptions, and post-Johannine additions were not yet complete; nor was consensus as to the selection of writings (affirmed as inspired and plenarily delivered, being traceable to witnesses of the original autographs) was not yet fully settled.

But the churches did possess the complete canon of all the written teachings of the New Covenant. Of them God has promised to preserve the texts authored and delivered through His witnesses. This transmission has by faith taken place through faithful copies of the autographs, distributed widely to the new churches, taking the form of the Byzantine/Majority Textform.

In comparison, no reliance should be placed on the Critical text synthesized out of three basic corrupted codices by Brooke Foss Westcott and his protegee Fenton John Anthony Hort. Inasmuch as it never existed and was never-before seen in the human community of churches until their presentation of it to the nineteenth-century scholastic guilds, it is not really representative of the autographs. Lacking forensic continuity-of-evidence traceability and admitted imperfections, this eclectic "Critical" text is constantly, continuously being changed, so it cannot be the Word of God.

It is especially inferior when being interpreted in the dynamic-equivalency hermeneutic, because it defrauds the sincere spiritual God-seeking Bible student of his right to accessing the mindset of the first-century speaker of the Koine Greek, for whom no translation nor exegetical labors were needed, and in whose framework the New Testament Scriptures were written, primarly to and for Gentiles.

So, yes, if one is reading the New International Version and wondering if it is the same Scripture as inspired and written down by the holy men of old, the answer is "No." Only the text-form transmitted through the Byzantine churches, gathered by Desiderius Erasmus, printed by Stephanus, and translated by martyrs of the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, do we have a faithful English translation polished by James Stuart's scholars, and presented to the English-speaking world by authorization of the Crown, in whose copyright the text still resides.

It is free for the taking, and it is the foundation by which many plow-boys, cowboys, milk-maids, and bar girls have escaped the clutches of Satan's minions, and found their way to God's Eternal Life, and union with their Savior.

Just an observation --

147 posted on 06/30/2015 2:50:46 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: MHGinTN

Have you read “Eusibius: Church History”?


148 posted on 06/30/2015 3:50:19 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: verga
>>Yes, Scripture means writings.<<

Christ used the same word as Peter when referring to Paul's writings. Pick at a nit if you wish it still shows Paul's writings to be considered scripture.

149 posted on 06/30/2015 4:05:38 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom; verga; MHGinTN; RnMomof7
>>Someone who is born from above IS saved.<<

That's a truth obviously lost on most Catholics unfortunately.

150 posted on 06/30/2015 4:15:02 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: terycarl

The letters to the seven churches in Revelation warned of the nicolaitans like the Catholic Church. They teach another gospel and are to be considered accursed.


151 posted on 06/30/2015 4:21:46 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: terycarl
>>Luckily the protestant revolution took place just in time to save Christianity<<

Oh no, the ekklesia of Christ existed throughout history despite the Catholic Church persecution and attempts to destroy it.

152 posted on 06/30/2015 4:24:58 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: terycarl
>>So was Jesus until He founded the Catholic church on the Apostles...<<

The Catholic Church is an apostasy having no relation to the ekklesia Christ instituted.

153 posted on 06/30/2015 4:28:39 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: RnMomof7

No. The doctrine of the Trinity is proof.

The canon of scripture of the New Testament is proof:

The early bible was oral. The apostles were dead when the early canon was being settled; the apostolic successors HAD to be relied upon for the information to even be considered as to what was to comprise the gospels and epistles. There was plenty of apocrypha out there being circulated. How does one know Matthew wrote Matthew, for example? (Sacred) Oral Tradition that was handed on infallibly settled these questions. If, otherwise, the today’s bible would be under question - maybe it contains apocrypha. ONE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO KNOW FOR SURE.

Why is C. Michael Patton’s (wrong) interpretation more authoritative than St. Paul himself, who specifically instructed the Thessalonians as follows:

2 Thessalonians 2:14:

Therefore brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned whether by word or by our epistle.

The traditions that the early Christians were specifically told were worthless and not to be followed were the manmade pharisaical customs: NOT the sacred traditions handed down by the apostles first in oral form and then later written down.

The bible’s seed form was verbal in its very nature and HAD to be passed down at first by the use of speech, not paper.


154 posted on 06/30/2015 5:18:05 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: stonehouse01
What Bible did Paul use to teach the Thessalonians? How soon were the letters from the LIVING Apostles written?

catholic apologists are so captured by the Magicsteeringthem that they even imagine things into real to support the false religion which binds their immortal souls to satan. And the scam is so complete, they believe they are traveling the road to salvation.

155 posted on 06/30/2015 5:53:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: verga

Not all of it. I doubt I ever will now that I’ve ‘met’ so many examples of what catholicism produces from what it drums into the heads of once sincere seekers of a relationship with God.


156 posted on 06/30/2015 6:06:35 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN; Thales Miletus
Not all of it. I doubt I ever will now that I’ve ‘met’ so many examples of what catholicism produces from what it drums into the heads of once sincere seekers of a relationship with God.

Thales aid the exact same thing about the non-Catholics that he saw on this list. He said he was better off as an agnostic rather than follow the example of the hate that they spewed.

157 posted on 06/30/2015 6:38:13 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: verga

Ah, but I’m not trying to ‘strive for salvation’, I’m trying to awaken people traveling satan’s highway. But then that is something you must dismiss since you don’t want off the tram.


158 posted on 06/30/2015 7:04:53 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

You’ll have to give me a little more detail. I am not a biblical scholar, I’m a non denominational Christian who is not subject to “magisteria” - Catholic or otherwise.


159 posted on 06/30/2015 7:18:47 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon (Life's a bitch. Don't elect one.)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
The Magicsteeringthem of Catholicism tells their participants that they should consider themselves drinking the 'LITERAL' blood of The Christ when they kneel for the catholic Eucharist. Starting in Genesis and running through the giving of the laws (Levitus 3 and following) God tells the ISraelites that they are to never, not for all their generations --which measn even now-- ever drink the blood of any animal because the life is in the blood.

The Septuagint was the Jewish scholars translation from Hebrew into Greek the sacred scriptures of Judaism and thus the message from God to the world at large, which occurred hundreds of years before the Birth of Jesus. That Greek text is what Paul used to teach those he evangelized.

Catholics are taught that to get God's Life in them they must drink the literal blood of The Christ. The Magicsteeringthem know enough to know that the hallmark of the New Covenant Jesus began with the Upper Room discourse involves God's life int he faithers, the believers in Jesus as Deliverer and Lord. But they nicolaitanize the covenant to their own empowerment, claiming their priestly magic is needed to grnerate the LITERAL bloos of Jesus int he cup of wine used at Eucharist. So the demonic delusion is at lest two-fold, believing the priest has magic or can summon magic from God, and teaching the deluded followers to believe they drink the LITERAL blood of Jesus The Christ, in contradiction to direct command from God to ALL the generations.

Does that help?

160 posted on 06/30/2015 7:28:01 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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