Posted on 06/29/2015 11:23:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7
That said, when one is born from above that person knows it. It is what brings such personal joy, knowing that God has placed the earnest of their inheritance in them. God's Life really does come into the spirit of the born from above.
One personal phenomenon for the born from above is the amazing humility and worship that burbles up from the soul's depth when God's Spirit reveals some truth in the Scriptures to you. It resonates with your soul. It really can burst a dam of tears when the phenomenon occurs. I experienced that with studying the Feasts/God's Appointed Times of Israel.
Another interesting phenomenon is the spiritual lift a born from above gets when they are in the presence of someone close to God. I have experience that one with a particular Catholic Priest who I believe is indeed close to God's Heart. On rare occasions we might be praying earnestly for a particular person and God's Spirit will 'touch' your consciousness, sometimes with a vision of that person in real time, sometimes with a joy of their being alive in this age, and sometimes a sadness can wash over you. That happens at times when a person for whom you are praying earnestly dies while you are in prayer fro them, if they were not born from above, or a real sense of 'yipee' joy if they are a fellow member of God's family for they are home!
And one more, if you will allow, there is a real sense of 'well done' on the occasions when you happen to spontaneously help someone else and it brightens their day, there life. So, when someone you pray for gets born from above, God will give you a spiritual boost for being faithful and you rejoice at their eternal decision.
The Priest mentioned above, he not only believes in OSAS, he knows it as fact in his life. I have also known other Priests who are sadly unable to know that in their lives.
How foolish! When, then, was the Catholic Church founded? And what happened to the Christian church that preceded it? By the way, the earliest use of the word "Catholic" to describe the church was by St. Ignatius of Antioch who was martyred in A.D. 107. That's pretty early.
**You are missing a lot.**
Speaking of missing a lot: I’m sure Jesus Christ would appreciate folks noticing that he NEVER, EVER, called himself ‘God the Son’. (neither did Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, or Paul)
God gave us the Scriptures through the human agents of their authors. But there were many books that claimed apostolic authorship. There were also doubts about some of the books that were accepted as Scripture. It is not blasphemous to say that God used human agents to confirm the canon of Scripture than to say he used human agents to write the books in the first place. Or are you to say that you know what is Scripture because you know what is Scripture? Or are you claiming that God has inspired you to know what is Scripture? What is the basis of your belief that these books, and only these books, are indeed Sacred Scripture?
Tricky, but obvious. IIRC, the word ‘catholic’ is not capitalized in the way Ignatius used it, as the ‘universal’ church, the ekklesia in total, because he was referencing the several Bishoprics. Ignatius was associated to the Bishopric of Antioch. The first acknowledge use of the word is the 14th century, for the way you are trying to push it.
Being born from above and saved are the same phenomenon. When James wrote4 his Epistle he addressed discerning whether someone has saving faith by the behavior patterns they exhibit. There is a gift of the Holy Spirit that allows spiritual discern of the state of someone else. I don't have that gift, so I look at what James spoke of, the behavior patterns.That said, when one is born from above that person knows it. It is what brings such personal joy, knowing that God has placed the earnest of their inheritance in them. God's Life really does come into the spirit of the born from above.
One personal phenomenon for the born from above is the amazing humility and worship that burbles up from the soul's depth when God's Spirit reveals some truth in the Scriptures to you. It resonates with your soul. It really can burst a dam of tears when the phenomenon occurs. I experienced that with studying the Feasts/God's Appointed Times of Israel.
Another interesting phenomenon is the spiritual lift a born from above gets when they are in the presence of someone close to God. ...
Hello. It's the same thing.
Someone who is born from above IS saved.
Don't really know much about the revolution, do you???
But the Catholic Church of today is a direct continuation of the church described by Ignatius. To claim otherwise is to go against history. By the way, there are over 5000 Catholic bishops around the world. The Catholic Church is more than just the Bishop of Rome, no matter how much some Protestants would like to portray it so.
The first acknowledge use of the word is the 14th century, for the way you are trying to push it.
Try again:
For in the Catholic Church, not to speak of the purest wisdom, to the knowledge of which a few spiritual men attain in this life, so as to know it, in the scantiest measure, indeed, because they are but men, still without any uncertainty (since the rest of the multitude derive their entire security not from acuteness of intellect, but from simplicity of faith,)—not to speak of this wisdom, which you do not believe to be in the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep, down to the present episcopate. And so, lastly, does the name itself of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house. Such then in number and importance are the precious ties belonging to the Christian name which keep a believer in the Catholic Church, as it is right they should, though from the slowness of our understanding, or the small attainment of our life, the truth may not yet fully disclose itself. But with you, where there is none of these things to attract or keep me, the promise of truth is the only thing that comes into play. Now if the truth is so clearly proved as to leave no possibility of doubt, it must be set before all the things that keep me in the Catholic Church; but if there is only a promise without any fulfillment, no one shall move me from the faith which binds my mind with ties so many and so strong to the Christian religion. (St. Augustine, Against the Epistle of Manichaeus called Fundamental, 4:5, A.D. 397)The Catholic Church is here opposed to heretical churches. He also points out apostolic succession and Petrine leadership.
It is hard to conceptualize an event that takes place the moment one believes in Jesus as their Redeemer and their Lord. Catholics have been conditioned to think of saved as something they must strive for, seek to journey toward.
Being born from above would be hard to conceptualize with such a long drawn out process as catholic salvation. Additionally, catholics have been conditioned to believe they can lose that trail toward obtaining salvation nd have to re-up, again and again.
Yeah, the Jewish version of the new testament is very revealing......the Catholics were the ONLY Christians around for 1,600 years hence it was they who wrote, edited, saaved, the Bible as we know it today....there were no protestnts around in 1143 to assist the Catholics....
They’re taught that it’s a process as much as anything, instead of an instantaneous, present, done deal, reality.
If you want to and need to believe those writings, so be it. There were five equal Bishooprics following the death of the last Apostle. There was no Petrine authority. That was fabricated to give the Rome Bishopric top authority. That was only achieved when the Emperor of Rome appointed Leo as ‘The Primate of all Bishops.’ That’s real History as unraveled from documentations not authored by persons with an agenda to slant things toward Rome. BY the way, are you familiar with one of the greatest forgeries in History? The Isodorian Decretals? That was one of your Roman empowerment schemes revealed. But some will follow the traditions of men regardless of what is True.
sure it is.
And in that they do not believe God’s Promises.
So, this time why don't you prove they are synonymous. Show us just how in error we are in differentiating The Church of Jesus Christ, The Body of Christ from the catholicism church of popes and priets and cardinals and blood drinking and MAry adoration and Indulgences, and, well, even you get the gist by now. Show us, if you can.
How doe sthat Texas saying go? ... All hat and no cattle.
No it isn't...there are a few disagreements on leadership issues which will soon be settled....but none on theological issues, The Catholic church is the only true and complete Christian church on Earth....
Luckily the protestant revolution took place just in time to save Christianity.........not.
Where’s the proof of the first assertion, No Hat?
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