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To: JPII Be Not Afraid; RnMomof7; CynicalBear; metmom; Springfield Reformer; roamer_1
t is sad you try to put God in a box. He is all powerful, He can do what He wants and He can send who he wants to warn us.

Which specious ("God can do it, thus...) logic is what is used to support Mormonic claims, etc. Which we know are false by comparing them with Scripture, which is the supreme standard for obedience an d testing Truth claims. As is abundantly evidenced .

but He does preform God only miracles to prove which messages are truly from Him.

Which is begging the question, presuming what needs to be proven (that God is doing the miracles). If God is doing the miracles then indeed they support the Divine origin of the messages, but that something is miraculous does not mean it is from God. The Egyptian magicians duplicated the first 3 miracles of Moses, and the Spirit foretells that in these latter days the devil will be working with "all power and signs and lying wonders," (2 Thessalonians 2:9) to deceive the lost.

If there was no established authoritative source by which to test Truth claims then it would simply be a contest btwn supernatural miracles, but ever since God began to speak to an entire nation and then to the world then the written word has been the standard. And thereby believers are commanded to "prove all things," and to"try the spirits whether they are of God," (1Ths. 5:21; 1Jn. 4:1) and which is done by comparing it by what Scripture most clearly says. Which is what the noble Bereans did. (Acts 17:11)

In so doing we see the clear contrast btwn the false Mary of Catholicism and that of Scripture. One example is that of "The Message of Lady Fatima," in which the Mary of Catholicism says,

"Our Lady stressed the importance of praying the Rosary in each of Her apparitions, asking the children to pray the Rosary every day for peace. Another principal part of the Message of Fatima is devotion to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart, which is terribly outraged and offended by the sins of humanity, and we are lovingly urged to console Her by making reparation. She showed Her Heart, surrounded by piercing thorns (which represented the sins against Her Immaculate Heart), to the children, who understood that their sacrifices could help to console Her."

"....Our Lady told them: 'You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.'

We must pray, especially the Rosary. By this frequent prayer of the Rosary, we will get the graces we need to overcome sin. God wants us to have devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and to work to spread this devotion throughout the world." - http://www.gotquestions.org/lady-fatima.html

However, nowhere in Scripture does anyone except pagans pray or make offerings to anyone else in Heaven but the Lord , despite the Holy Spirit providing over 20 prayers in Scripture, nor are created beings ever shown being able to hear the multitudes of prayers addressed to them from earth and respond, which only God is shown able to do, while any communication btwn created beings from the two realms required both to somehow be in the same place.

And while believers are to sacrificially intercede for others, nowhere is the idea of devotion to any created beings in Heaven, as God alone is always set forth the only object of devotion in Heaven . Nor is it ever said or taught that Mary was sinless, though the Holy Spirit characteristically records lesser exceptions from the norm about notable characters, and thus at least thrice states that Christ was sinless.

One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, even with adulation, attributes, glory and titles never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers addressed to them, and beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them. Which would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine by playing word games they avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Instead they should do what Mary and every believer in every prayer to Heaven did (and I should do more of), which was to pray directly to the Lord, not secretaries. But they must truly become born again for that.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

Instead Caths basically say,

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes... (Jeremiah 44:16-17)

220 posted on 06/25/2015 5:11:16 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

An indictment so clear that they by their will to follow after idols will not hear it. Selah


225 posted on 06/25/2015 7:49:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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