Posted on 06/20/2015 12:42:46 PM PDT by rwa265
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Is Peter the 'rock'?
As you can see, Simon was already known as 'Peter'
BEFORE the following verses came along.....
NIV 1 Corinthians 10:4
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. NIV Luke 6:48
He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. NIV Romans 9:33
As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame." NIV 1 Peter 2:4-8
4. As you come to him, the living Stone--rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him-- 5. you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6. For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame." 7. Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, " 8. and, "A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for. But, since there WAS no NT at the time Christ spoke to Peter, just what DID Peter and the rest of the Disciples know about ROCKS??? NIV Genesis 49:24-25 24. But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel, 25. because of your father's God, who helps you, because of the Almighty, who blesses you with blessings of the heavens above, blessings of the deep that lies below, blessings of the breast and womb. NIV Numbers 20:8
"Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink." NIV Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he. NIV Deuteronomy 32:15
Jeshurun grew fat and kicked; filled with food, he became heavy and sleek. He abandoned the God who made him and rejected the Rock his Savior. NIV Deuteronomy 32:18
You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth. NIV Deuteronomy 32:30-31
30. How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the LORD had given them up? 31. For their rock is not like our Rock, as even our enemies concede. NIV 1 Samuel 2:2
"There is no one holy like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God. NIV 2 Samuel 22:2-3
2. He said: "The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; 3. my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior-- from violent men you save me. NIV 2 Samuel 22:32
For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God? NIV 2 Samuel 22:47
"The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God, the Rock, my Savior! NIV 2 Samuel 23:3-4
3. The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me: `When one rules over men in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God, 4. he is like the light of morning at sunrise on a cloudless morning, like the brightness after rain that brings the grass from the earth.' NIV Psalms 18:2
The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. NIV Psalms 18:31
For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God? NIV Psalms 18:46
The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Savior! NIV Psalms 19:14
May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer. NIV Psalms 28:1
To you I call, O LORD my Rock; do not turn a deaf ear to me. For if you remain silent, I will be like those who have gone down to the pit.
NIV Psalms 31:2-3
2. Turn your ear to me, come quickly to my rescue; be my rock of refuge, a strong fortress to save me. 3. Since you are my rock and my fortress, for the sake of your name lead and guide me. NIV Psalms 42:9
I say to God my Rock, "Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?" NIV Psalms 62:2
He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken. NIV Psalms 62:6
He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will not be shaken. NIV Psalms 62:7
My salvation and my honor depend on God ; he is my mighty rock, my refuge. NIV Psalms 71:3
Be my rock of refuge, to which I can always go; give the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress. NIV Psalms 78:35
They remembered that God was their Rock, that God Most High was their Redeemer. NIV Psalms 89:26
He will call out to me, `You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.' NIV Psalms 92:14-15
14. They will still bear fruit in old age, they will stay fresh and green, 15. proclaiming, "The LORD is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him." NIV Psalms 95:1
Come, let us sing for joy to the LORD; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation. NIV Psalms 144:1
Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. NIV Isaiah 17:10
You have forgotten God your Savior; you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress. NIV Isaiah 26:4
Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD, the LORD, is the Rock eternal. NIV Isaiah 30:29
And you will sing as on the night you celebrate a holy festival; your hearts will rejoice as when people go up with flutes to the mountain of the LORD, to the Rock of Israel. NIV Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one." NIV Habakkuk 1:12 O LORD, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy One, we will not die. O LORD, you have appointed them to execute judgment; O Rock, you have ordained them to punish. |
And now you know the Biblical position!
As a Catholic, I even agree that "Jesus fulfilled that law of sin and death and has entered the Holy of Holies ONCE FOR ALL FOREVER. Taking the Eucharist is a remembrance of this once fore all forever, not a repetition of it."
We don't see the Eucharist as a "repetition" of Christ's once-and-for-all, forever sacrifice, but as a "participation" in it. It is the One self-same sacrifice, made present to us, offered by the One priest, Jesus Christ Our Lord.
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He fulfilled the first three appointed times.
There are four more times to be fulfilled.
When the last is fulfilled, the Earth and heavens will be gone, there having been found no place for them.
(revelation 20:11 “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.)
My point was for the purpose of countering Peter as somehow greater in apostleship than Paul. God chose both, used both, and we’ve all benefitted from it. You’re correct in that Peter wasn’t ONLY an apostle to Jews. Paul wasn’t ONLY an apostle to the Gentiles, either. Yet I didn’t invent their designation as such in Scripture. It’s there.
To my original curiosity, if Paul was really the one God primarily used to preach the gospel to the Gentiles, why don’t Catholics—who are mainly Gentiles—give him credit? All those points I alluded to from Galatians are arguments Paul used to defend his apostolic ministry from the charge that it was somehow inferior to that of “pillars” like Cephas and James.
God shows no partiality. Neither should we.
If this were so for posting catholics they would not be insisting that they drink the literal blood and eat the literal flesh of Christ. Way back in Genesis 6 God forbade eating the blood, for the life is in the blood. Apparently the word cannibalizing is foreign to some. God is not going to be mocked much longer by this sham, mocking ritual. Jesus established a remembrance, not a continuous participation. The Passover meal they were eating that night was not a continuous participation, it was a remembrance. And Jews remember that God in several places told them NEVER EAT THE BLOOD. Jesus established a remembrance using a metaphorical process, not a continuous participation. ONLY Jesus was worthy of the glory of that work He did for us. Insisting the Eucharist eats His literal body and drinks His literal blood is a blasphemy and makes the participant unworthy of the Glory due only to Him yet He offered it to us as Grace. You're playing word games calling a repetition a 'participation'. But if that is what you believe you nedd, to play games with words and ignore God's commands from Genesis through the Torah, you are free to do so.
Somehow I knew satan would wake you up to come peck up the seed.
He did not tell Peter that his name was *petra*.
He also told him that his name was Cephas
John 1:42 He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon the son of John; you shall be called Cephas " (which is translated Peter).
◄ 2786. Képhas ► Strong's Concordance
Képhas: "a rock," Cephas, a name given to the apostle Peter Original Word: Κηφᾶς, ᾶ, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: Képhas Phonetic Spelling: (kay-fas') Short Definition: Cephas Definition: Cephas (Aramaic for rock), the new name given to Simon Peter, the apostle.
How do you all dodge that or try and twist it?
Like I said mine has been documented, still waiting for you all. And the play ground is for the very immature, which explains why prots are so comfortable there.
When they start out with a lie right from the get-go, it's easy to make it up beyond that...
I typed a couple of words in a scramble there, if you would like to send to me another LOL at my mistakes, so you can once again ignore what is offered to you in agape.
Well I’ve not seem them that I can recall. As you wanted metmom to post her degrees you need to.....if you have them as you claim. Of course anyone can make stuff up on a bog.
That's because genuine born again, born from above, regenerated by the Holy Spirit believers are already a part of the actual body of Christ, not part of any man-made religious organization that claims to be the one true church.
Denominations are meaningless. They don't save. I follow Christ, not men.
The charge of cannibalism fails, because cannibalism is eating parts of a dead human.
The Eucharist isn't "parts," and Our Lord isn't "dead."
The Eucharist is the Whole Christ as He is: Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, our resurrected Lord; and alive, not dead, even "more alive" than He was when He walked this earth, since He has conquered sin and death, and is not bound by the limits of time and space.
That part is important. We are bound by the laws of physics, time and space and so forth. Christ is not. His flesh is glorious, unbounded by physical laws, deathless, eternal, real in exactly the same way that the Resurrection is real.
The OT prohibition against blood is not because it was too filthy, but because it was too sacred. According to the Hebrew understanding, the Life is in the blood; and God alone is the Lord and Giver of Life.
Remember that this is not of the Old Law, but rather, as Jesus said, of the New. (Luke 22:20) "And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the New Covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you." It's a mistake to apply the Old Covenant prohibition of the consumption of blood, here. Consuming Jesus' blood does not violate the Old Covenant: it fulfills it.
John 6 simply prepared the way for Jesus commanding, "Eat My Body; Drink My Blood." This is "the New Covenant in My Blood" : we are invited to approach for the most sacred contact with God that is possible on this earth.
We do not receive our Lord in a cannibalistic form. We receive him in the Eucharistic form, under the appearances (the physical characteristics) of bread and wine. The two are qualitatively different. My digestive processes are not digesting and dissolving Jesus Christ; they are digesting the forms (appearances) of bread and wine. In "taking and eating" the Eucharist, my "digestion" doesn't affect or change Christ at all. It is I who change.
I avoid the term "literal" body, because people generally mean by it, physiological: that is, a body that maintains a 97-98 degree core temperature, that manifests respiratory reflexes, etc. etc. The Eucharist is not a physiological body, it is His "real" Body.
If by "literal" you mean, are you chewing up and swallowing cardiac muscle, pancreas, lungs, bone marrow, brain, spleen, and roughly 6 to 8 pounds --- two square meters--- of skin? The answer is "No." But if you ask "Are you consuming the Real Body of Christ?" The answer is "Yes."
"Literal" thinking would be what Jesus would characterize as "carnal." "Carnal thinking." Meat-head thinking. When He says "the flesh" avails nothing, He doesn't mean HIS Flesh avails nothing. (He's just said over and over that HIS Flesh avails us eternal life.)
He means "Your flesh"--- your meat-head thinking--- avails nothing.
HIS flesh corresponds to Malachi's prophecy:
Malachi 1:11
From the rising of the sun to its setting,
my name will be great among the Gentiles;
Incense offerings will be made to my name everywhere,
and a pure offering;
For my name is great among the Gentiles,
says the Lord of hosts."
"From the rising of the sun to its setting" is a term for geographical expanse, that is to say, the whole world, from East to West. It alludes to the concept of "time," too: at all times.
Where do you find, throughout the whole world, and among the Gentiles, this sacrifice? And a pure sacrifice: corresponding to the Name of the Lord being great among non-Jewish nations?
This is a prophecy of the Eucharist, which is the one pure sacrifice, Christ Himself, the Lamb of God. This cannot be repeated but it can be made present: and it IS made present, amongst all the Gentile nations: a present participation in a timeless sacrifice.
As for in what manner the body and blood are food, the burden of proof is on those who would claim the saying is literal, because in each passage where it is discussed there is abundant evidence for metaphor.
John 6 for example. In John's Gospel we see that Jesus has repeatedly resorted to metaphors about Himself (Door, Vine, Bread of Life, Way, etc.). This is necessary because He is a one-of-a-kind experience for those who encounter Him. Metaphor is precisely what one uses when one wishes to teach about something new and unfamiliar using analogy to something familiar.
In John 6, we are given clue after clue that this too is metaphorical teaching. For just one prominent example, see verse 35:
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.You see here how Jesus satisfies hunger to those who come to Him, thirst to those who believe in Him. Here you have a perfect example of the classic two-domain comparison that is the hallmark of metaphor. For example, thirst is a physical primitive, universal to the human experience. It is the known domain. Believing on Jesus is the unknown domain, something new to human experience. A metaphor sets up a comparative relationship between these two distinct domains, such that we can learn about the one from the other. A teaches us about B.
(John 6:35)
You might want to take a look at this twisted explanation, to see if it lines up with your beliefs. I pray that it doesn’t ... eating the blood of Jesus, against the commandment from God in several places in the OT, pleading it fulfills the old covenant or a new one, eating Blood destined to be spread upon the Mercy Set in Heaven for the covering of the law of sin and death, well such an excuse is straight from the brilliant mind of antichrist.
Lifted your essay. Meant to ping you
It can only be participation if it were ongoing.
It isn’t.
It is FINISHED (as per Jesus).
And why would anyone think that participating in killing Jesus would be a good thing? Our sin put Jesus on the cross. That’s the only participation in the death of Jesus that we can lay claim to, and that is not the kind of participation that I want any part of any more.
It’s certainly not something I would want to CELEBRATE.
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