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To: ADSUM; Springfield Reformer; betty boop; Mark17; Alamo-Girl; metmom; RnMomof7; Iscool; imardmd1; ...
You asserted, or your essay writer asserted, "If, then, the words of Jesus are to be taken figuratively, it would appear that Christ had promised to His enemies eternal life and a glorious resurrection in recompense for the injuries and persecutions directed against Him." Jesus issued an exoneration while yet on the Cross, for the ones crucifying Him literally that day. The scriptures also say 'until His enemies be made His footstool'. Is God of a duplicitous mind? No? Then you are obliged to find the way to avoid duplicity, and the drinking of blood is just such a conundrum.

All of this parsing does not remove the commandment from God to not ever eat the blood, to never drink the blood, for the life is in the blood. [Gen 6; Leviticus 3:17]

A priest man cannot hold God's LIFE in a cup of wine. THE LIFE IN CHRIST'S BLOOD was spread upon the Mercy Seat, never poured out into a catholic cup.

Jesus ate the same bread He gave to His disciples, and drank from the same cup He offered to them to pass among them. Are you familiar enough with scriptures to recall where Jesus referred to a cup His disciples would drink from? [ HINT: Matt 20:22 and following; Mark 10:38 and following ]

Is the following divine metaphor or literal drinking? ... Matthew 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. ... John 18:11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

344 posted on 06/21/2015 9:48:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN; ADSUM; Alamo-Girl; marron; caww; hosepipe; xzins; Springfield Reformer; Mark17; metmom; ...
THE LIFE IN CHRIST'S BLOOD was spread upon the Mercy Seat, never poured out into a catholic cup.

Are you telling God that Christ's Blood can be spread ONLY on the Mercy Seat, that it may not be offered to partakers of the Eucharist? What if God is doing both? Do you want to tell Him He's wrong to do so?

I'll try to outline here my understanding of the Real Presence (which is a doctrine which I understand Martin Luther believed) and the associated doctrine of Transubstantiation, in which Christ's body and blood is miraculously transformed into the bread and wine of the Holy Eucharist.

The Real Presence simply means that this transformation actually takes place at the consecration of the gifts of the bread and wine. That is, this change is real, actual — not figurative, metaphorical, or symbolic. It is a mystery — i.e., something that the rational mind cannot penetrate.

Indeed, in Matthew 26:26–28 (KJV), of the bread, Christ instructs his Apostles to "Take, eat; this is my body." Not, take, eat, this is a symbol of my body.

Of the wine, He says, "Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." Not, this is a symbol of my blood.

I do not believe that Christ is using figurative or symbolic language in these passages. For He knows that the world will regard these statements especially scandalous if they are intended literally (as I believe He intended); For He says, "All ye shall be offended because of me this night."

So what are we to make of the actual transubstantiation of Christ's body and blood into the gifts of the bread and wine? Or to put it differently, what, exactly, is being transubstantiated?

What of Christ's body, which is sacramentally present in the bread and wine of the Eucharist, is being transubstantiated?

What is transubstantiated is Christ's divine substance, not any accidents of Christ's physical human body. Christ's substance is wholly present in the Eucharist.

Yet "substance" is not something that is ever extended in space. Physical bodies — the "accidents" of incarnation — are always spatially extended. If the Eucharist were to in any sense incorporate the idea of the transubstantiation of the accidents of Christ's Body (e.g., height, hair and skin color, weight, etc., etc.) then indeed, Catholics — and Greek Orthodox, et al. — would be practicing cannibalism. But this is not the case.

The distinction between substance and accident is a philosophical one. Suffice it to say that only accidents are perceptible and sensible to the rational mind. Substance can perhaps best be understood as the thing (for lack of a better word — Christ is not a thing!) as it actually IS in itself, not as it appears to our senses. Substance is never accessible to sense perception — nor to the rationalistic mind.

But it is accessible to the eye of faith. And miracles should not be disturbing to Christians — our faith is replete with them.

Hope this info might help....

354 posted on 06/21/2015 12:26:56 PM PDT by betty boop (Science deserves all the love we can give it, but that love should not be blind. — NR)
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To: MHGinTN

Your comment: “ A priest man cannot hold God’s LIFE in a cup of wine. THE LIFE IN CHRIST’S BLOOD was spread upon the Mercy Seat, never poured out into a catholic cup.”

You can believe whatever you want. God gave you free will. It is not the Truth. Did you read the line: Do this in Memory of Me?

j Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you;

do this in memory of me.”

20And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.k

FYI

YOUR TASKS AS A CATHOLIC

Your tasks as a Catholic, no matter what your age, are three:

Know your Catholic faith.

You cannot live your faith if you do not know it, and you cannot share with others what you do not first make your own (CCC 429). Learning your Catholic faith takes some effort, but it is effort well spent because the study is, quite literally, infinitely rewarding.

Live your Catholic faith.

Your Catholic faith is a public thing. It is not meant to be left behind when you leave home (CCC 2472). But be forewarned: Being a public Catholic involves risk and loss. You will find some doors closed to you. You will lose some friends. You will be considered an outsider. But, as a consolation, remember our Lord’s words to the persecuted: “Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven” (Matt. 5:12).

Spread your Catholic faith.

Jesus Christ wants us to bring the whole world into captivity to the truth, and the truth is Jesus himself, who is “the way, and the truth, and the life” (John 14:6). Spreading the faith is a task not only for bishops, priests, and religious—it is a task for all Catholics (CCC 905).

Just before his Ascension, our Lord told his apostles, “Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you” (Matt. 28:19–20).

If we want to observe all that Jesus commanded, if we want to believe all he taught, we must follow him through his Church. This is our great challenge—and our great privilege.


359 posted on 06/21/2015 12:58:04 PM PDT by ADSUM
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