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To: MHGinTN

A person receives forgiveness of original and actual sins at Baptism later through the Sacrament of Reconciliation then as one follows God’s will throughout one’s life. Then receives God’s judgement when he dies.

Scripture teaches that one’s final salvation depends on the state of the soul at death. As Jesus himself tells us, “He who endures to the end will be saved” (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31–46). One who dies in the state of friendship with God (the state of grace) will go to heaven. The one who dies in a state of enmity and rebellion against God (the state of mortal sin) will go to hell.

Christ has abundantly provided for our salvation, but that does not mean that there is no process by which this is applied to us as individuals. Obviously, there is, or we would have been saved and justified from all eternity, with no need to repent or have faith or anything else. We would have been born “saved,” with no need to be born again. Since we were not, since it is necessary for those who hear the gospel to repent and embrace it, there is a time at which we come to be reconciled to God. And if so, then we, like Adam and Eve, can become unreconciled with God and, like the prodigal son, need to come back and be reconciled again with God, after having left his family.

“As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).”

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/assurance-of-salvation


223 posted on 06/20/2015 10:35:33 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
May God have mercy upon you. That is not what Jesus told the rulers of Israel when they asked Him the same question. From your reply it is apparent that you have no idea what the Gospel of Salvation is about, but such is the legacy of Catholicism.

Justification is a legal proclamation. It is not a decision held for the lifetime of the accused then applied if the accused earns the right to the proclamation. Jesus has been sacrificed ONCE FOR ALL FOREVER. Jesus told the rulers:
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

When they believe, what happens?
Acts 2:1-4 Now when the day of Pentecost had come, they were all with one accord in one place. Suddenly there came from the sky a sound like the rushing of a mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. Tongues like fire appeared and were distributed to them, and one sat on each of them. They were all filled with the Holy Spirit ...
Acts 10:44&45 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who heard the word. They of the circumcision who believed were amazed, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was also poured out on the Gentiles.

Justification happens in the minute one does what Jesus told the leaders they must do as the work God requires. God puts the exclamation point on that immediacy with the coming of the Holy Spirit upon the believer.

At this point perhaps you are asking 'so what is the rest of living according to God's commandments supposed to accomplish if not making one worthy of Justification to be received upon death? ... That is a good question.

The Blood of Christ was not for drinking, it was for spreading upon the Mercy Seat in Heaven, so that the law of sin and death was then annulled for all, that is ALL who are in Christ. Paul says: Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Perhaps that causes you to ask, so who is walking 'after the spirit'? what does that mean? Another good question.

When we are born from above, that moment when in this life God justifies us because we place our faith in Christ, He adopts us into His family by the coming into us of His Holy Spirit. RomaNS 8:2-6 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Verse 3 Strongs Parallel Speaking Sacred N Copy/Paste For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

YOU CANNOT BE SPIRITUALLY MINDED IF YOU BELIEVE YOU MUST RE-SACRIFICE JESUS EACH TIME YOU ARE PERSUADTED OF HAVING VIOLATED THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH. YOU CANNOT BE SPIRITUALLY MINDED IF YOU BELIEVE YOU MUST DRINK THE BLOOD OF CHRIST TO KEEP ABSOLVING YOUR SINS. Paul says there is therefore now, not after each Eucharist only, no condemnation for those who walk after the spirit. How do you walk after the spirit? ... By faith, by faithing in Him as the perfect Atonement for you and believing His blood covers the law of sin and death for you. When you partake of the Eucharist, you do so as an outward exhibition that you are spiritually accepting His Sacrifice, His blood on the law of sin and death, for you. You are not eating His literal flesh or drinking His literal blood. His blood was shed and spread upon the Mercy Seat for you. His blood was so perfect that it does not need to be shed over and over, into your belly, to cover the law of sin and death for you. You partake of the Eucharist IN REMEMBRANCE of His work for you. In faith you walk not after the flesh but after the spirit that is IN YOU by the presence of His Holy Spirit Who comes when you believe, as illustrated by Pentecost and the House of Cornelius.

226 posted on 06/20/2015 11:05:58 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: ADSUM
When Jesus explained the brass snake on the pole (from Numbers 21), was Jesus saying that brass snake is me or was me, literally? No.

When God declares you Justified because of the Cross of Christ, how many of your behavior sins were int he future of that Cross? All of them. so when God looks at you the moment you believe Jesus paid for All Your Sins, how many of your behaviors are hideden from God's view? None, He sees the end fromt he beginning. so how many sins will you have to get absolution for after you first believe Jesus IS The Christ, your redeemer? None. BUT IN HEAVEN as part of the Bride of Christ, your purification will take place, burning off the wood, hay, and stubble of the life experiences as a member of His family having His Holy Spirit. If any works be left then they will be gold, silver and precious stones. But the key is realizing that life review happens in Heaven, not upon the earth in a daily walk.

When you are walking like a son of Adam, that will be wood, hay or stubble. When you are walking as His Spirit is raising you up in the Way that you should go, well that is most precious in God's sight. He has remembered your sin no more. You can never earn worthiness to be called the sons of God. That is why your Justification is so glorious, because it is only to Christ's Glory that such an astonishing thing can be focused. By trying to keep earning Justification you sully the Glory of What ONLY Christ can give to you and wants to immediately, Life as He has it.

228 posted on 06/20/2015 11:19:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: ADSUM
“As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).

Depends on what perversion of the bible you are using...

1 Cor. 1:18 For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish, is foolishness; but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God.

2 Cor. 2:15 For we are the good odour of Christ unto God, in them that are saved, and in them that perish.

You guys even resort to perverting the official scriptures of your own Catholic religion...The above scriptures are Jerome's scriptures...

267 posted on 06/20/2015 4:23:04 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ADSUM

“A person receives forgiveness of original and actual sins at Baptism”

No, a person of sins when he confesses his sins and asks God for forgiveness.


283 posted on 06/20/2015 7:25:23 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: ADSUM
A person receives forgiveness of original and actual sins at Baptism

Catholic belief, but not a Christian belief. The Bible differs.

I will repeat my oft oposted statement: you may believe what you wish, but do not try to get other-than-Catholic Christians to agree with you.

Born again believing Christians follow the Bible, not tradition.

There are some scriptures I could share with you so you can see how salvation and cleansing from sin work if you wish. Let me know.

286 posted on 06/20/2015 8:08:05 PM PDT by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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