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Was The Papacy Established By Christ?
triablogue ^ | June 23, 2006 | Jason Engwer

Posted on 06/19/2015 12:01:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: ADSUM

You can’t prove it!

Mary's sinlessness...
Mary's assumption...
Mary's ability to hear anyone's prayer...
Mary's ability to tell Jesus what to do...

241 posted on 06/20/2015 2:21:06 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
Jesus told the Apostles Go Baptize and teach all nations.

Not...

Make up stuff about mom!


242 posted on 06/20/2015 2:22:06 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lil Flower
No one is more upset about the evil people lurking in our Church than we are.

Who gets to JUDGE whether this is EVIL or not?

Li'l popettes?

243 posted on 06/20/2015 2:23:09 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lil Flower
Clean your own house and the evil that is lurking within it. Then come criticize ours.

Isn't that what Luther TRIED to do?

244 posted on 06/20/2015 2:23:53 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
The mission of the Catholic Church is to lead all to salvation with God in Heaven.

Then why all of the exact stuff?

245 posted on 06/20/2015 2:24:29 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN; ADSUM
You say it is a provable lie, but in a mystery religion what the leadership declare can never be a lie.

I BOLDED the word ALL.

It can be EASILY shown that ALL of the RCC's stuff does NOT come from the Bible.

246 posted on 06/20/2015 2:26:44 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lil Flower
Not in Scripture = didn’t happen. Don’t waver in your beliefs.

I did NOT say that at all; did I.

Not in Scripture = DO NOT SPECULATE!

Why is THIS so hard to understand?


NIV 1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

247 posted on 06/20/2015 2:28:53 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lil Flower
I seen the word cult thrown about a few times.

Didja ever hear what LUTHER has been called?

And his 'followers'??

248 posted on 06/20/2015 2:29:53 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DeprogramLiberalism
Christ addressed Peter alone. The three words "you" in this passage are all singular.

Oh?

A GROUP cannot be addressed as singular?

If Pete got this 'honor' from Christ; where is the expected uproar from the others who got left out?

There wasn't ANY of them so 'holy' that they'd accept this without murmuring!

249 posted on 06/20/2015 2:33:22 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
First, as we’ve seen...

Translation: Watch out!

Here comes a zinger!

250 posted on 06/20/2015 2:34:17 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
May God help you understand. that the REAL 'flesh and blood' of Jesus can NOT be holding the 'REAL' blood and flesh!

Since when has Jesus EVER been recorded as being in TWO places at once?

251 posted on 06/20/2015 2:36:30 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lil Flower
First of all, please don’t use the term “dear lady,” it’s very condescending.

OH; Honey!

You should hear what I've been called!

I grew calluses...

252 posted on 06/20/2015 2:37:50 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lil Flower
Can I now judge every single SB the same as the preacher? Of course not. That is ludicrous. And yet the protestants that continuously post these threads do exactly that.

Let me tell you a little story about LUTHER and how ALL of his followers are wrong...

253 posted on 06/20/2015 2:38:54 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
Then they shouldn’t make false statements about the Catholic faith:

I hate when things like this are EXPOSED!


 
 
 
Bernadine: …all gifts, all virtues, and all graces are dispensed by the hands of Mary to whomsoever, when, and as she pleases. O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can ONLY come through thy hands, OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THEE.

Bonaventure: …the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION . Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE.

Ephem: …devotion to the divine Mother…is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem.

Blosius: To the, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven.

Ambrose: …constantly pray ‘Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS.

Fulgetius: …by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven.

Athanasius: …And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom.

Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.

Guerric: …he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there…and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED.

Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain.

Antoninus: …souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED.

254 posted on 06/20/2015 2:40:09 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM; Salvation; Rides_A_Red_Horse; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
The Catholic Church is based on the teachings of Jesus, and the protestant religions were formed by man; Luther, Calvin, etc, ...

Protestant denominations are unanimous in rejecting the papacy, the supremacy of Rome, prayer to saints/Mary, worship of saints/Mary, transubstantiation, purgatory, and most other Roman Catholic dogmas. ...

The Catholic teachings are all based on the Bible and the teachings of Jesus, except where protestants and others misrepresent these teachings.

Where to start?

The Catholic religion was/is formed by men. It is a cult of great magnitude with evolving "traditions". It does NOT teach Scripture, but rather, it misquotes and misdirects away from the Truth taught by the Holy Spirit.

Yes, Protestant sects are (nearly) unanimous in rejecting such fables and myths taught by the cult of Roman Catholicism. Those are things which have sprung up in the latter years, and were NEVER taught in Scripture. Even you missed the 'talking points" when you admitted that RCC's do indeed WORSHIP Mary.

It is easy to refute the heresies of Roman Catholic cultists. All that is needed is Scripture and a heavy dose of the Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 7: ... 22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.

23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

26 Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

255 posted on 06/20/2015 2:41:16 PM PDT by WVKayaker (On Scale of 1 to 5 Palins, How Likely Is Media Assault on Each GOP Candidate?)
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To: ADSUM
You have ignored the words of Jesus and by your comments accuse Jesus of not speaking the Truth.

HMMMmmm...


 

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


Father; what must I do to become and stay a good Catholic?

Well; the MOST important thing is to eat Jesus and drink His blood.


256 posted on 06/20/2015 2:44:16 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Then why all of the exact stuff?

I'm just SURE I typed EXTRA...



257 posted on 06/20/2015 2:46:55 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM

First, as we’ve seen, the imperative “call no man father” does not apply to one’s biological father.


That is true, it applies to giving some one the title as father and it includes all of the other titles Jesus spoke of, it was not to be that way in the world of Christians.

Third, a careful examination of the context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus didn’t intend for his words here to be understood literally.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Mathew 20
25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

We can see very plainly here what Jesus was talking about, it was titles of authority.

Jesus did not want a bunch of men with titles lying to his believers.

The only argument you have that Mathew 23 should not be taken literally comes from Paul who obviously had nothing against himself having great authority as Paul was not present when Jesus spoke these words,

which is why I stated that much of the Catholic doctrine which contradicts what Jesus said must have come from Paul.

How the Church can claim that Mathew 23 should not be taken literally in view of all of the other evidence which shows it to be literal.

But then swear that we are literally to eat the flesh of Jesus and drink his blood seems to come from a religious organization who depend on people coming not to Jesus as a child but to the organization as a child.

Acts 15
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Genesis 9
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

The favorite argument is :that is not to be taken literally:
Which is nothing more than an admission that it does say it.

One of my choice arguments is that Jesus did not sweat blood, some one will say Oh? you do not take that literally?

Yes of course I take it literally, it does not say Jesus sweat blood, what it says is Jesus sweat as it were great drops of blood.

Most any one who grew up in the thirties and forties know what it is like to have drops of water running off of them.

And since nose bleeds were common they also knew how blood looked dropping to the ground.

The only way a religion which comes from the word ritual can survive is to convince people that a scripture easy to understand is not to be taken literal and those which is beyond comprehension is to be taken literal.


258 posted on 06/20/2015 2:48:40 PM PDT by ravenwolf (t)
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To: daniel1212

Wrong. Paul told the same church,

Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. (1Co. 11:1) And there are no real contradictions.


Wrong huh?

1 cor 4

14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.

15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Paul is probably unintentionally setting the world up for a pope.

But it is him and not Peter.


259 posted on 06/20/2015 2:59:44 PM PDT by ravenwolf (t)
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To: Elsie

>Christ addressed Peter alone. The three words “you” in this passage are all singular.<

>>>A GROUP cannot be addressed as singular?<<<

Sure a group can be addressed as a singular, but that is not what happened here. Read the preceding verse: Christ is specifically speaking to Peter. And the following verse: He refers to the group as plural.


260 posted on 06/20/2015 3:18:37 PM PDT by DeprogramLiberalism (<- a profile worth reading)
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