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To: stonehouse01
You wrote, "We are placed in the state of grace by baptism and must remain there by our deeds. Otherwise there would be no need for judgment and the bible makes clear that we will be judged." You went to the effort to post that sentence, now let's look at it for what it asserts>

"We are placed in the state of Grace by baptism" ... Whose Grace is so powerful that it can choose you for Saving?

"... and must remain there by our deeds." So, this power to place you in Grace is only powerful enough to lift you to it but not powerful enough to keep you in it? Sorry, Jesus taught just the opposite. You are addressing justification, so lets see how that measures up to what Jesus taught:

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. [So, before we get to the meatier passages, God in Jesus tells men that if they accept Him, accept His Justification, but turn away from that Justification, that man is not fit for the Kingdom of Heaven. James is cited by many works based religion folks to assert that therefore working good works aids in being saved. Not so, for Jesus told Nicodemus that we must be Born from Above. It is not possible for you or me to position ourselves 'above' to aid in this birthing. It is the miraculous WORK of God only. A man looking back from this birthing is not fit for the family. BUT WAIT, there's more.]

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. [The passage is written so emphatically that we may safely assert that you are included in that 'no man' proclamation. Thus the one in the previous verse who puts his hand to the plow while looking back is seen as not actually putting his FAITH, his faithing *the verb form) in Jesus, so he is not included int he 'no man' because he would not come into God's hands. But why is this so emphatic to assert that once saved, once justified by God's Judicial Proclamation, 'No MAN' can defeat that soteriology? ... There's more!.]

Matthew 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. [Justification is assured by the two hands of God holding the faither in His Promises. One looking back is not faithing in the Promises because he second guessed the Promises, that is what 'looking back' signifies. From such an one, no good deeds are possible, But why? why can't an unsaved person do good deeds worthy of merit in God's sight? ... Oh yes, there's more.]

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. [ Do you recall what Jesus told the Youngman who came to him asking 'what must I do to inherit eternal life?' The Youngman addressed Jesus as 'Good Master' and Jesus replied, 'Why callest thou me good, there is only one who is good.' You see, only those works are good which have origin in the only one who is good. But wait! There's more yet.]

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. [In this New Covenant which God instituted and sealed with His Son's blood, once fore all, it is God in you who generates the 'good works' fit for the bema judgment seat. If any man present wood, hay, and stubble, the Shekinah Glory of God will burn it off leaving just that which God has Born from Above. 'If any man's works be burn ... but he shall be saved yet as by fire.' And now there is but one more to go ...]

John 6:28-29 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?”

Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” [THAT is what God requires for Justification, that we believe/faithe in Him whom He has sent! And what is it to faithe (the verb form) in Him? Well, 'Faithful is He that calleth you to salvation for He will aslo do it. But many are called to this salvation but few are the chosen. Why? Because so few will let Him do it. Do what?... Be God in them. And when they do allow God to be God in them, they have a new want to, they do good works mete for their salvation, worthy of their salvation. These works are not wood, hay and stubble.. They're gold, silver, and precious stones. AND GOD is fashioning His New Jerusalem with these worthy things.]

Can you see why your assertion is off the mark? We remain in God's Grace because He declared us righteous due to our faithing in Jesus finished work. we cannot remain in God's Grace by some work we do before or after He declares us Righteous because of His Son. To believe you have anything to do with this miraculous work and declaration from God is to blaspheme the efficacy of His blood which seal the Covenant and is attributed to you when you believe in Him.

Our believing, our faithing, in Jesus is not the righteous work, the Work of His blood sprinkled on the mercy seat for all who will believe Him is the righteous work. That concludes Justification. THEN begins the work in raising up the new born in the Way that they should go.

The process is called sanctification by Protestants whom I have studied. It has an element of having the' works done as a newborn and older' weighed, not judged int he sense of Judging in a court. This weighing is done at the Bema Seat of Christ in Heaven. The event takes place in Heaven, so those having their 'works' weighed are already saved, already in Heaven.

Yet some will be saved as by fire, for they will have nothing that they let God do in them. 'He calleth, He will also do it.' Those who are IN HEAVEN yet are without worthy works are the ones who did not let God be God behaving IN THEM. They thought they could drink his blood and constantly confess something already dealt with and put away at the Mercy Seat. They tried to work themselves into worthiness. Such will be saved yet as by fire. But FIRST, to even get to the Bema Seat, one must believe He is The Savior, and trust Him as sole proprietor of Justification for you.

42 posted on 06/15/2015 10:22:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: ADSUM

Perhaps this post to stonehouse will help you comprehend the simplicity of the Gospel of the Grace of God in Christ. There is no grace plus works for Justification. There is only Faith. Then the being raised up a newborn in the way that you should go begins, by the indwelling Holy Spirit of God. Your Redeemer does not have any shortage of cash. He has paid the full price for you but you must accept it as the full price or insult His Grace. Your works to add to faith, in order to obtain Salvation/Justification is an insult to His SUFFICIENCY.


52 posted on 06/15/2015 11:03:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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