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To: CynicalBear
You asked over and over if I was suggesting that the passages were only talking to men. Of course not. Scripture simply describes the Church as a whole in masculine terms and never in feminine terms. It also flatly states that the bride is the New Jerusalem, and that the New Jerusalem as the mother of the Church.

>>>You should notice that there is NO Greek word in that text that can be interpreted "man". So you basically changed the words of scripture to bolster your contention. STOP IT ALREADY. If you have to change the words of scripture your views MUST be ignored.<<<

Ph.1.27b I will know that you stand firm in one spirit, contending as one man for the faith of the gospel

Looking at the Greek I agree that soul is the right translation. I will remove it from my ebook. I quoted the NIV. My bad for trusting the NIV, something I don't normally do, however this was a study that I did twenty years ago when I was still developing good research habits. A simple Google search would have told you that I have not "changed the words of scripture". So by your logic, since I have not "changed the words of scripture", my views should not be ignored.

I explained He.12.22-24. So, in effect, my post has no errors except for trusting the NIV.

Over and over the Scriptures flat-out describe the Church as masculine. Yeast always represents evil in Scripture. Before even explaining in Ep.5.23-33 that husbands must love their own bodies just as does Christ His body (the Church), Paul states flat-out in Ep.2.15b-16 that:

Church = Israel + Gentiles = "one new man" = "one body"

Revelation then tells us flat-out that the heavenly Jerusalem is the bride and Galatians tells us flat-out that the heavenly Jerusalem is also our mother (of the Church).

But you can cling to your "tradition" if you like - most people do...

59 posted on 06/14/2015 10:55:16 AM PDT by DeprogramLiberalism (<- a profile worth reading)
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To: DeprogramLiberalism

Yeah, well, Catholic ‘tradition’ tells devout Catholics to drink the blood of Jesus by a magical transubstantiation/transmogrifying, which is directly contrary to what God told Israel is forbidden for all their generations (which would include that of Jesus). So traditions can be in not only little errors but in gross anathema raising errors.


60 posted on 06/14/2015 12:47:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: DeprogramLiberalism
>>Scripture simply describes the Church as a whole imasculine terms and never in feminine terms.<<

>>Church = Israel + Gentiles = "one new man" = "one body"<<

You really need to think about what you write. Look at your two statements above. You claim that the "church" has to be male. Then you claim that Israel and Gentiles are the "church" the "one new man". Now, we KNOW that Israel was the wife of God. One would presume female unless you want now to go into homosexuality or trans-gendered. But that's not the only problem with your scenario. God also said He would restore Israel as His wife.

Isaiah 54:6 "For the LORD has called you, Like a wife forsaken and grieved in spirit, Even like a wife of one's youth when she is rejected," Says your God. 7 "For a brief moment I forsook you, But with great compassion I will gather you.

So God promised to bring back His wife but she has become a male per your analysis.

>>Yeast always represents evil in Scripture.<<

Matthew 13:33 He spoke another parable to them, "The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three pecks of flour until it was all leavened."

So now the Kingdom of Heaven represents evil? In your previous post you simply dismissed this verse without explaining other than to claim it clashed with other references to yeast. Christ said "The kingdom of heaven is like leaven" meaning it changes the whole. How can that be a negative in this sense?

Like I said in my last post. Your post and your ebook are rife with error. It would be impossible to cover them all in one post or even this forum. My suggestion would be for people to totally ignore both your posts and your ebook.

65 posted on 06/15/2015 9:28:28 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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