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To: CynicalBear

Your comment: “Forgiveness of sins from Catholic answers:
And it’s total nonsense. I showed you in my last post that “all sins are forgiven”. The priests or magisterium do NOT have an options on which sins are either more serious or not forgiven.”

Again if one seeks the Truth, instead of an out of context quote that is not the full Truth, one could begin to understand the words of God. Your answers seem to ignore the words of Jesus that do not support your religious viewpoint.

Again from Catholic answers:
Note that the power Christ gave the apostles was twofold: to forgive sins or to hold them bound, which means to retain them unforgiven. Several things follow from this. First, the apostles could not know what sins to forgive and what not to forgive unless they were first told the sins by the sinner. This implies confession. Second, their authority was not merely to proclaim that God had already forgiven sins or that he would forgive sins if there were proper repentance.
Such interpretations don’t account for the distinction between forgiving and retaining—nor do they account for the importance given to the utterance in John 20:21–23. If God has already forgiven all of a man’s sins, or will forgive them all (past and future) upon a single act of repentance, then it makes little sense to tell the apostles they have been given the power to “retain” sins, since forgiveness would be all-or-nothing and nothing could be “retained.”
Furthermore, if at conversion we were forgiven all sins, past, present, and future, it would make no sense for Christ to require us to pray, “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors,” which he explained is required because “if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses” (Matt. 6:12–15).
>>Yes. Christ is with us in the Eucharist (Real Presence).<<

Your comment: ”Then the christ you proclaim was a sinner by eating blood and encouraging others to do so which was against the law”

Again you offer your personal unrealistic opinion (contrary to the explicit words of Jesus) based on the Jewish laws of the old covenant (previous post) and not the New Covenant that Jesus Christ proclaimed and stated that He would always be with us in the Eucharist.


19 posted on 06/10/2015 2:15:09 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
>>Second, their authority was not merely to proclaim that God had already forgiven sins or that he would forgive sins if there were proper repentance.<<

Yes it was. The Greek words says "will have been bound". The apostles were to proclaim what had happened.

Here is Gill's exposition on that verse.

Whose soever sins ye remit,.... God only can forgive sins, and Christ being God, has a power to do so likewise; but he never communicated any such power to his apostles; nor did they ever assume any such power to themselves, or pretend to exercise it; it is the mark of antichrist, to attempt anything of the kind; who, in so doing, usurps the divine prerogative, places himself in his seat, and shows himself as if he was God: but this is to be understood only in a doctrinal, or ministerial way, by preaching the full and free remission of sins, through the blood of Christ, according to the riches of God's grace, to such as repent of their sins, and believe in Christ; declaring, that all such persons as do so repent and believe, all their sins are forgiven for Christ's sake: and accordingly, they are remitted unto them; in agreement with Christ's own words, in his declaration and commission to his disciples; see Mark 16:16. On the other hand he signifies, that whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained: that is, that whatsoever sins ye declare are not forgiven, they are not forgiven; which is the case of all final unbelievers, and impenitent sinners; who dying without repentance towards God, and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, according to the Gospel declaration, shall be damned, and are damned; for God stands by, and will stand by and confirm the Gospel of his Son, faithfully preached by his ministering servants; and all the world will sooner or later be convinced of the validity, truth, and certainty, of the declarations on each of these heads, made by them. [http://biblehub.com/john/20-23.htm]

The Catholic twisting of those words is once again deceitful.

>>Again you offer your personal unrealistic opinion (contrary to the explicit words of Jesus) based on the Jewish laws of the old covenant (previous post) and not the New Covenant that Jesus Christ proclaimed and stated that He would always be with us in the Eucharist.<<

At the last supper Jesus and the apostles were still bound by the Old Law as the New Covenant could not have begun until the shedding of Christ's blood on the cross.

21 posted on 06/10/2015 2:34:44 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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