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To: kinsman redeemer
2 Tim, again. Ch 2:15: Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

2 Tim: Warning against Useless Disputes.
14 Remind people of these things and charge them before God* to stop disputing about words. This serves no useful purpose since it harms those who listen.
15 Be eager to present yourself as acceptable to God, a workman who causes no disgrace, imparting the word of truth without deviation.
16 Avoid profane, idle talk, for such people will become more and more godless,
17 and their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,
18 who have deviated from the truth by saying that [the] resurrection has already taken place and are upsetting the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands, bearing this inscription, “The Lord knows those who are his”; and, “Let everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord avoid evil.”
20 In a large household there are vessels not only of gold and silver but also of wood and clay, some for lofty and others for humble use.
21 If anyone cleanses himself of these things, he will be a vessel for lofty use, dedicated, beneficial to the master of the house, ready for every good work.
22 So turn from youthful desires and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord* with purity of heart.
23 Avoid foolish and ignorant debates, for you know that they breed quarrels.
24 A slave of the Lord should not quarrel, but should be gentle with everyone, able to teach, tolerant,
25 correcting opponents with kindness. It may be that God will grant them repentance that leads to knowledge of the truth,
26 and that they may return to their senses out of the devil’s snare,w where they are entrapped by him, for his will.

Talking about useless arguments. Humm, something to think about.

Acts 17:11
These Jews were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with all willingness and examined the scriptures daily to determine whether these things were so.
Talking about OT scriptures

Sorry but these scriptures do not prove your case that you are correct and the Catholic church is wrong.

2 Tim - 3
Paul’s Example and Teaching.
10 You have followed my teaching, way of life, purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11persecutions, and sufferings, such as happened to me in Antioch, Iconium, and Lystra, persecutions that I endured. Yet from all these things the Lord delivered me.
12 In fact, all who want to live religiously in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
13 But wicked people and charlatans will go from bad to worse, deceivers and deceived.
14 But you, remain faithful to what you have learned and believed, because you know from whom you learned it,
15 and that from infancy you have known [the] sacred scriptures, which are capable of giving you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
17 so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Verse 16 & 17 refer to OT scriptures. What about Timothy's "teachings." Again this does nothing to prove you are correct and the Catholic church is not. If anything it proves there are teachings and ways of life following Christ that were taught not written.
65 posted on 05/24/2015 7:00:21 PM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
You are wrong.

"the word of truth" refers to all of Scripture in general (John 17:17), and the gospel message in particular (Eph. 1:13; Col. 1:5).

The thought is that the minister of the gospel is to present the truth rightly, not abridging it, not handling it as a charlatan (see on 2 Corinthians 2:17), not making it a matter of wordy strife verse 14), but treating it honestly and fully, in a straightforward manner. (copied directly from Vincent's Word Study)

Is it your claim that you are ONLY to rightly divide the OT?

For me, I study ALL of the scripture because it is His Word. The Old Testament SCREAMS OUT our need for a Savior... And declares God's plan for mankind. (Even to include salvation by grace - not works - to put a fine point on the matter.)

108 posted on 05/24/2015 10:32:16 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
16 All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
17 so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Verse 16 & 17 refer to OT scriptures. What about Timothy's "teachings." Again this does nothing to prove you are correct and the Catholic church is not.

It says ALL scripture IS inspired...It doesn't say the OT WAS inspired...Obviously you are saying the New Testament is not to be considered scriptures...We know better than that...The New Testament is scripture just as much as the Old Testament is...

139 posted on 05/25/2015 6:53:53 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid; kinsman redeemer
>>If anything it proves there are teachings and ways of life following Christ that were taught not written.<<

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Please prove that what the Catholic Church teaches as "tradition" is exactly what the apostles were teaching that they called tradition. If you cannot we must understand that the Catholic Church teaches "another gospel" and is to be considered accursed.

180 posted on 05/25/2015 2:44:18 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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