Posted on 05/22/2015 8:53:13 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
I am fascinated by those wanting to crucify this man. Do they not believe in redemption? Do they not believe in the power of testimony of overcoming sin? Who do they think should be in our leadership positions; only those without sin?
I seem to recall we have ALL SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD!
“What can we hear Wisdom saying from this unfortunate episode?”
I have never quite seen any responsible person claim that Sexual Assault on a child is an “unfortunate episode.”
Reality TV? Real people, real problems. Graciously we have a real living God in Jesus.
At least that's the feeling that shines through the posts about how horrible the Catholic Church is because an extremely small number of primarily Irish queers molested kids five and six decades ago.
IOW, forgiveness around here seems to be very selective.
JMHo
I did not in anyway diminish the sexual assault on a child. I called it “Sin” and “Shame” also. What is more horrible than sin?
It is not just sin, it is a felony punishable by life in prison.
Reading other threads, you will find there isn’t much forgiveness for Jim Bob and Michell here either.
I think they,wrongly, believed in a system/lifestyle that would keep their kids from the “big” sins. When it failed they suffered cognitive dissonance which led to a terribly misguided attempt to deal with their son’s sin.
We go to an independent fundamental church and I can’t stress enough how most people there do not believe in psychology. Counseling and therapy are not accepted. They weren’t so much covering it up as they were trying to fix it within the parameters of their system.
Would you want to see Josh Duggar put in prison? I know that as a teenager, he inappropriately touched some of his sisters and one other young girl, and of course that is inexcusable and even evil. Do you know more of this case? Did he rape them?(I am serious), because you’re adamancy indicates that you think I am diminishing what happened, something I wouldn’t want to do.
By the way Olivia, when you say it is not “just sin”...Sin is the most serious aspect of it. One sin is enough to keep any of us from heaven,for all sins are against God first, and yes they are against people.
One of the sisters was FOUR YEARS OLD at the time.
This isn’t a case of repressed reproductive biology seeking an outlet.
That’s pathology.
These sorts aren’t ‘cured’, recidivism is nearly 100% in individuals with that sort of brokenness.
Which isn’t to argue that he isn’t forgiven by God for such. It IS to argue that he should NEVER EVER be allowed around anyone (of either sex) under the age of 18 again. For the safety of any children, and to keep him from temptation and subsequent sin.
That he never received any real counseling for this and continued to live in the same home with the victims is a special sort of torture for the victims.
But the real question I have is this. Was he acting out something someone had done to him? The ‘family friend’ they took him to speak to is in jail for 60 years for recidivistic kiddie porn. A former pastor of their church has supposedly gone away for kiddie sex/porn. Is/was there a ring of such people in that area/church when Josh was a youngster? Was he touched inappropriately at a church camp, vacation bible school or some other instance by someone like that?
Because normal 14yr old boys don’t get aroused with 4yr old females. And no amount of ‘forgiveness’ by his parents and victims can reprogram that sort of pathology.
Daily contrition and repentance, for we daily sin much. Daily and richly also is the forgiveness of sins and everlasting life in Christ Jesus. The world does not know this, and does not care. One need not look far for examples of dysfunctional families, whether in the Scriptures or in real life. The ideals are worthy of pursuit - faithfulness, fidelity, self-sacrifice, humility, purity, and beauty - despite our inability to attain. Lord, have mercy upon us.
If my eyes rolled any more forcefully they would come right out of my skull. The Duggars did the bare minimum, if that.
What more can you do? Should Duggar be considered a danger?
Get him professional help? Actually report him to the authorities instead of some individual trooper? Would the author let Josh babysit his own kids?
Allowing your child repeated access over years to much younger, vulnerable children for the purpose of molesting them.
“Therapy” limited to a summer job.
Releasing statements to the effect that you’re so happy that your son was able to recover from wrecking the lives of at least five children.
Lawyering up to avoid any legal responsibility.
All of that is an unfortunate event?
Wow. You have issues.
But at least the molester is okay, right?
“Would you want to see Josh Duggar put in prison?”
I hate to sound radical, but I want to see all people that are convicted of sexual assault on a child go to prison.
I didn’t know the ages of his victims. I don’t need to repeat, but will, that I find the actions of the 14 year old boy to be repugnant, perverse and perhaps demonic. I do believe however in full redemption, I don;t believe he is doomed to be twisted and perverse for the rest of his life. People can change, with God’s help, that is the gospel.
I have sought to avoid any comment on this issue altogether because no one really needs to hear from me, pretty much about anything, but I sincerely appreciate your words of wisdom here.
Christians live among the decay of a fallen world. Saints belong in a museum.
Repeatedly giving your other children over to one who repeatedly stripped them of the dignity and innocence God gave them, then releasing statements about how well the child molester is doing now.
Refusing to allow the molester to face actual consequences - running out the clock on the law.
Selling your children’s names and faces for cash in public, knowing that this would eventually be tied to them.
Those are not the actions of people who care for what God gave them.
We do know the ages, the police report is out there.
In fact the report has been ordered destroyed by a Judge in AR because one of the victims is still a minor.
Minor today, in 2015.
At most 17.
This happened in ‘02, 13 years ago.
17-13=4
Math isn’t so difficult.
14yr olds who are ‘attracted’ to 4yr olds are broken. Recidivism with this sort of broken are very nearly 100%.
He should never be allowed to be alone with anyone under the age of 18, age 14 at the very least.
Would you allow him to babysit your kids/grandkids unsupervised?
Yes or no.
That’s the kind of thinking that Huckerbee like governors use to unless killers on the rest of us. In my book a 14 year old molester is a scumbag criminal, period. Should he go to prison, yeah, wish he was sent to juvie years ago, but I will settle on placing him on Megan’s List at this late date. Me personally, I let the redemption stuff be handled after the molester drops dead, as long as Chester is walking the Earth, he is subject to Man’s Law, be it in the courts or out in the streets.
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