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To: NYer

This is the relevant passage from Ephesians.

. 3:8-10:

To me… this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, and to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things; that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places.

“Principalities and powers” is a reference to angels.


35 posted on 05/20/2015 5:32:20 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
“Principalities and powers” is a reference to angels.

Not necessarily. Or not necessarily only angels.

38 posted on 05/20/2015 5:34:22 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; NYer; metmom; WVKayaker
It's time to get serious with this, since you believe the Church is teaching angels. The first problem is: which Church? The RCC or the Church the Body of Christ?? Because these two "churches" are diametrically opposed in worship, doctrine, practice and basically EVERYTHING.

You have to ask yourself, is the RCC teaching angels how to pray to the saints? Is the RCC teaching angels that Mary is a co-redemptrix with Christ? And that the only way to get to Christ and the Father is through Mary? What is the RCC teaching the angels about salvation? And the finished work of Christ?

44 posted on 05/20/2015 5:48:26 PM PDT by smvoice ("Now is the accepted time; now is the day of salvation" 2Cor. 6:2)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; NYer; metmom; WVKayaker; CynicalBear
Let me just get you out of the suspense my last post caused, wondering WHICH church is teaching angels...

The ENTIRE book of Ephesians is your friend here, St. Thomas.

"To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

NEXT VERSE, VERY IMPORTANT HERE

"According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord."

What is the "eternal purpose"? Eph. 1:9,10 tells us. "Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath PURPOSED IN HIMSELF..."

"That in the dispensation (I know you hate this word, but hey, it's here, it's not going anyplace) of the fullness of times he might GATHER TOGETHER IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST, BOTH WHICH ARE IN HEAVEN, AND WHICH ARE ON EARTH; EVEN IN HIM."

So why does He say He purposed this?

Eph. 2:7 tells us.

"That IN THE AGES TO COME He MIGHT SHEW THE EXCEEDING RICHES OF HIS GRACE IN HIS KINDNESS TOWARD US THROUGH CHRIST JESUS."

OH, so it's His GRACE that will be displayed in the ages to come? And what is this grace that He talks about? Do we know? Yes we do.

Eph. 2:8,9: "FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES; IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD; NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."

So, there it is. Exactly what God purposed, to whom He purposed it, and WHY He purposed it.

But there's a problem here: GRACE. Does your Church teach Eph. 2:8,9? The Church the Body of Christ does. Does your Church believe that and that alone saves you? The Church the Body of Christ does. If you are teaching or being taught anything other than what GOD HAS PURPOSED, how do you possibly think you are going to be teaching His angels? Really....?

51 posted on 05/20/2015 6:13:03 PM PDT by smvoice ("Now is the accepted time; now is the day of salvation" 2Cor. 6:2)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
“Principalities and powers” is a reference to angels.

Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Why don't you guys ever believe what God said...Angels are clearly NOT principalities and powers...You guys constantly pull out some supposed Christian truth and we constantly post the actual truth from scripture...What God actually says doesn't seem to faze you guys at all...

92 posted on 05/21/2015 5:49:10 AM PDT by Iscool
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