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To: Grateful2God
To us, faith and good works go hand-in-hand and not mutually exclusive. A devout Jew, though he may not acknowledge Jesus, was still redeemed by His Passion and death. His faith in the Father, as well as any good works, and suffering accepted as God's will is what he will have with him when he stands before God. Then it is Good who decides. The same works for everyone else. That's what Catholics believe.

Then Catholics spread false teaching.

First, Jews are damned, as are all other unbelievers, regardless of how many good works they do, if they do not believe in Christ.

1Jn_2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

All are condemned under Adam, having inherited origin sin, being born dead in sin and unable to see the Kingdom of Heaven.

Joh_3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Furthermore, salvation cannot be won by "good works," which play absolutely no role in our justification. As Grace cannot be earned by our merits, and all our righteousness will always fall short of God:

"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works," (Rom 4:4-6)

19 posted on 05/09/2015 12:27:36 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Nice to see the moderator is on your pocket...and I see you are condemning people to hell again.

You can sure dish it out....but you cant take it.


20 posted on 05/09/2015 1:27:46 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
**Then Catholics spread false teaching.**

As you see it. We believe that Jesus died for ALL men. We are not taught that it is our right to decide who is damned, but God's alone.

**1Jn_2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:**

The Jews worshipped the Father thousands of years before Jesus was on earth. He appeared with Moses and Elijah. We do not believe that they are damned.

We also believe that we are first born in our mother's womb, then born again at Baptism.

Any good works will always call short. Does that mean we live our lives without them? Isn't faith without works dead? Are we not promised that, through the Spirit we shall do even greater works than the Apostles? Don't you believe that loving God and your neighbor is the heart of the law? Should we not do all within our power to show, as much as is in our power, our love and gratitude to Jesus for all He did for us, to make it possible for us to use our free will to be with Him in Heaven? Isn't that fact alone proof of faith?

I'm simply stating rhetorically what Catholics believe. The original remark I responded to was not an accurate representation of same.

Good bless you!

21 posted on 05/09/2015 2:00:56 AM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
**Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works," (Rom 4:4-6) **

Romans 2:5-11Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
5 But according to thy hardness and impenitent heart, thou treasurest up to thyself wrath, against the day of wrath, and revelation of the just judgment of God.
6 Who will render to every man according to his works.
7 To them indeed, who according to patience in good work, seek glory and honour and incorruption, eternal life:
8 But to them that are contentious, and who obey not the truth, but give credit to iniquity, wrath and indignation.
9 Tribulation and anguish upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek.
10 But glory, and honour, and peace to every one that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Can you as sola scriptura explain the dichotomy there? What does one do when they come across these? I have the Magisterium, the teaching authority of the Catholic Church, a synthesis of 2 millennia of wisdom and interpretation. I also have sacred tradition which explains things and puts them in context. You've more than amply expressed your disbelief in such. Then tell me, how do you interpret the differences which contradict one another?

137 posted on 05/09/2015 11:02:39 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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