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To: Grateful2God
I also have sacred tradition which explains things and puts them in context.

By the way, speaking of "tradition." I literally just got done quoting Saint Augustine backing me up in all my conclusions. You do not have tradition actually. You only have the magisterium.

139 posted on 05/09/2015 11:14:04 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
You're telling me what I have and don't have in my Church?

Pope John Paul II
Address to Representatives
of the West German Jewish Community
Created: November 17, 1980
Written by John Paul II

(excerpt)

If Christians must consider themselves brothers of all men and behave accordingly, this holy obligation is all the more binding when they find themselves before members of the Jewish people!...

the bishops of the Federal Republic of Germany put this sentence at the beginning: "Whoever meets Jesus Christ, meets Judaism."

Before God all men are of the same value and importance.

The first dimension of this dialogue, that is, the meeting between the people of God of the Old Covenant, never revoked by God [cf. Rom. 11:29], and that of the New Covenant, is at the same time a dialogue within our Church, that is to say, between the first and the second part of her Bible.

the tasks which we have in common. Jews and Christians, as children of Abraham, are called to be a blessing for the world [cf. Gen. 12:2 ff.], by committing themselves together for peace and justice among all men and peoples, with the fullness and depth that God himself intended us to have,

May all peoples in Jerusalem soon be reconciled and blessed in Abraham! May he, the ineffable, of whom his creation speaks to us: he, who does not force mankind to goodness, but guides it: he, who manifests himself in our fate and is silent, he, who chooses all of us as his people; may he guide us along his ways to his future!
Praised be his Name! Amen.


I believe in what the Church teaches; you believe in what the Bible alone, according to your interpretation (and perhaps someone's Commentary) are to you.

You don't follow what the Church Fathers say, yet choose passages to "support" your disbelief of our teaching. Times considered and contexts observed give a fuller picture. I chose the Catholic Church of my own volition, and choose to follow it the best I can in its entirety. You do as God calls you, and may He bless you. Neither of us are going to budge!

One question: how do YOU explain the appearance of Moses and Elijah with Jesus at the Transfiguration? Honest question, no debate intended. Thanks and good night!

140 posted on 05/10/2015 12:01:15 AM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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