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To: HamiltonJay
Contraception has been part of the human experience as long as humans have been able to figure out ways to use it.

So has adultery. That does not make it legitimate. Contraception within marriage denies the openness to children as one of the primary ends of sex and marriage. It is a revolt against our surrender to the will of God, seeking only the pleasures of marriage without the responsibilities. It is also a invitation to non-marital sexual relations that seek the pleasure of sex as an end in itself. If married couples can engage in sexual activity without the purpose of begetting and raising children, why cannot others?

19 posted on 05/04/2015 7:25:18 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
Contraception within marriage denies the openness to children as one of the primary ends of sex and marriage. It is a revolt against our surrender to the will of God, seeking only the pleasures of marriage without the responsibilities. It is also a invitation to non-marital sexual relations that seek the pleasure of sex as an end in itself. If married couples can engage in sexual activity without the purpose of begetting and raising children, why cannot others?

Wow dude, wow. How absurd. First of all, the adultery analogy is simply a non-starter. There is no legitimate marriage with adultery. There is legitimate marriage with birth control, since most who practice it have also had children. Epic fail on that one.

Also absurd is the notion that within marriage, that sex should always bring with it the possibility of conception. What about those who've had multiple kids and don't want more - and thus have surgically made the decision not to? What about post menopausal sex? Are these not legitimate? That's just ridiculous.

20 posted on 05/04/2015 7:35:02 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: Petrosius

Sorry to break that to you, but that’s a far more modern teaching. Both Marriage and contraception far predates the argument you are attempting to make. To claim that contraception itself is a debasement of marriage is something that was invented long long long after both marriage and contraception existed.

If you are to argue that contraception itself destroys the institution of marriage, then you are trying to make the argument that marriages that existed before this belief came to be were not legitimate or somehow failed or flawed, when in fact both existed for millennia before the modern teaching that contraception within marriage was an affront to marriage.

To believe the only responsibility of marriage is to procreate is a bit disingenuous as well. I hate to break this to you, but birth control existed during the eras of the old and new testaments, and yet, not one mention of them being immoral is mentioned in either book. The only mention I know of in the Bible is the mentioning of the refusal of a man to produce an heir for his dead brother with his wife so that inheritances would not need to be shared, but the condemnation was upon his selfishness, not upon the use of birth control itself. Not to mention that Onan was EXPLICITLY ordered by God to produce offspring and raise them as well.

Marriage contains a lot more obligations than procreation, if it was only about that, life would be a lot simpler for the married folks walking this planet.


23 posted on 05/04/2015 7:42:15 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Petrosius
If married couples can engage in sexual activity without the purpose of begetting and raising children,

So married couples of a certain age should no longer be permitted to have sex?

66 posted on 05/05/2015 7:22:59 AM PDT by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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