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To: BlueDragon

” You mean Rome can’t be one lung and the earthly head all at the same time? No lung at all? Not part of the One Undivided?

Just what are you trying to say?”

Rome is either THE CHURCH or she is at the very least in schism from it.

“...from so-called Orthodox perspective, just where is the RCC left?”

Rome has been in schism from the Church for centuries and has made some disturbing additions to the Deposit of the Faith.

“Or United as One, even though they have some wacky ideas like all must be subject to the bishop of Rome and the magical mystery tour (RC) Magesterium?”

See above. The claims of the First Vatican Council
are universally rejected in Orthodoxy as a theological innovation.


170 posted on 05/04/2015 8:07:52 AM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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To: NRx

I think Ratzinger, before he was 'pope' anyway, understood what you mean, and all but concedes the point...

From page 198 of Principles of Catholic Theology: Building Stones for a Fundamental Theology;

"We may not interpret as truth that which is, in reality, a historical development with a more or less close relationship to truth."

Check the context. He knew then that "papacy" as defined by Rome is not actual truth.

A "more or less" close relationship?

He's trying to apologize for the error(s) which have built up over the centuries, without having to confess that they (the RCC) are truly wrong to have developed such theological monstrosities as they have.

And then here, apparently speaking to [Roman] Catholics;

Nor is it possible, on the other hand for him to regard as the only possible form and, consequently, as binding upon all Christians the form this primacy has taken in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.

173 posted on 05/04/2015 8:58:46 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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