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To: rwa265
>>“Are you saying Jesus was only obedient to Mary?” <

Where do you see the word only? Of course Jesus was obedient to Joseph, as we are told in Luke 2:51 - And he went down with them and came to Nazareth and was submissive to them. And his mother treasured up all these things in her heart.

He also humbled Himself by being obedient to Mary.

No mention of Joseph in your post. Come to think of it I can't recall when I've seen a catholic refer to Joseph.

>>“Using catholic “logic”, then Mary is the mother of the Holy Spirit.”<<

Mary did not give birth to the Holy Spirit; she gave birth to the Son. A woman becomes a mother in the very act of giving birth to a child, and the child that Mary gave birth to is God in the person of Jesus Christ. It is only in this sense that Mary is the mother of God.

But the catholic position is that Mary is the "Mother of God." If God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are three in one then if she gives birth to one, she's given birth to all three.

Of course, there is some catholic teaching that says Mary is the spouse of the Holy Spirit!

>>“Again, none of what the catholic purports the scriptures to say are true regarding this”.<<

Again, show me how the Scriptures I have cited do not show that Mary is the mother of God. Why does no one attempt to refute those specific passages?

Because not one of the Scriptures you cited makes that claim. The burden is on the catholic to show the scripture that says, "Mary is the mother of God".

253 posted on 05/02/2015 5:52:56 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Because not one of the Scriptures you cited makes that claim. The burden is on the catholic to show the scripture that says, “Mary is the mother of God”.


The Scriptures I cited state that Mary gave birth to and is the mother of a child who:

is the child of the Holy Ghost
shall save his people from their sins
they shall call Emmanuel, which means God with us
shall be called the Son of the Highest
shall be called the Son of God
Elisabeth called “the mother of my Lord”
is a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord
is the Lord’s Christ
the wise men worshipped as the King of the Jews

All of these statements refer to the divinity of Jesus and clearly reveal the essential truth that Mary is the mother of God in the person of Jesus. The burden is to show how these verses do not reveal this essential truth.

This is not to say that Mary is the mother of all three persons of the Trinity. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. But the Father is not the Son, nor is the Holy Spirit the Son. Mary was the mother of God only in the person of Jesus, the Son of God.

I have not seen anyone dispute Catholic teaching on Joseph. Catholics do have a high regard for St. Joseph, though. His feast day is March 19 and yesterday he was honored as St. Joseph the worker. In fact, a group of men in our parish put on a presentation of St. Joseph in his workshop, speaking to us about his life as the foster father of Jesus. It was very interesting.

I hope this doesn’t make your head explode, but there is actually a St. Joseph Rosary. The following prayer is substituted for the Hail Mary’s:

Joseph, son of David, and husband of Mary; we honor you, guardian of the Redeemer, and we adore the child you named Jesus.

Saint Joseph, patron of the universal church, pray for us, that like you we may live totally dedicated to the interests of the Savior. Amen.

I am off to bed for the night.

Peace


269 posted on 05/02/2015 8:08:32 PM PDT by rwa265
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