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To: caww
Using skeletons and body parts as "relics" attending worship in any church is revolting. Reminding one of the many death cults throughout history who adorned them and paraded them in their death cult worship.... all the way back to the dark ages and beyond.

Do you consider pre-Christianity the "Dark Ages"?

As they were burying a man, behold, they saw a marauding band; and they cast the man into the grave of Elisha. And when the man touched the bones of Elisha he revived and stood up on his feet. (2 Kings 13:21)
Where does the Bible say that the remains of the dead are to be despised?

Do you throw the remains of your deceased family members in the garbage, or do you bury them with a headstone?

Do you honor their memory by visiting their graves? If so, why? Are you worshipping them?

And God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them (Acts 19:11-12).
The early Christians, despite the objections of nineteenth century Fundamentalists, venerated relics of the saints.
Smyrnaean account of Polycarp's martyrdom (A.D. 156)

"We took up his bones, which are more valuable than precious stones and finer than refined gold, and laid them in a suitable place, where the Lord will permit us to gather ourselves together, as we are able, in gladness and joy and to celebrate the birthday of his martyrdom."

Jerome

"We do not worship, we do not adore, for fear that we should bow down to the creature rather than to the creator, but we venerate the relics of the martyrs in order the better to adore him whose martyrs they are"

Protestants don't realize that they do exactly what they accuse Catholics of, namely, following the human traditions of Luther and his disciples, rather than the Sacred Traditions preserved by Christ's Church, "the pillar and foundation of truth."

"If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector." --Jesus

Vatican archaeologists in 2002 began excavating the 8-foot(2.4-meter)-long tomb of St. Paul, which dates from at least A.D. 390 and was buried under the basilica's main altar. The decision to unearth it was made after pilgrims who came to Rome during the Roman Catholic Church's 2000 Jubilee year expressed disappointment at finding that the saint's tomb — buried under layers of plaster and further hidden by an iron grate — could not be visited or touched.

The top of the coffin has small openings — subsequently covered with mortar — because in ancient times Christians would insert offerings or try to touch the remains.

The basilica stands at the site of two 4th-century churches — including one destroyed by a fire in 1823 that had left the tomb visible, first above ground and later in a crypt. After the fire, the crypt was filled with earth and covered by a new altar. A slab of cracked marble with the words "Paul apostle martyr" in Latin was also found embedded in the floor above the tomb.


96 posted on 04/18/2015 5:46:46 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Want to narrow that with your own words?


98 posted on 04/18/2015 5:49:40 AM PDT by caww
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Do you consider pre-Christianity the “Dark Ages”?

.....No....but there certainly were the Mid-evil Ages. IE: (Dark Ages)

Where does the Bible say that the remains of the dead are to be despised?

......We are to bury the body of the departed. I said nothing about despising them...they are not there. It's a corpse.

Do you bury them with a headstone?

.....I bury their body, but they are not there.

Do you honor their memory by visiting their graves?

.....No, they are not there.

If so, why? Are you worshipping them?

....Not relevant. When I miss a family member I talk to the Lord and share with Him.

The early Christians, despite the objections of nineteenth century Fundamentalists, venerated relics...

....Well that is why they messed up....they didn't listen to the warnings from the get go. God always warns us when we go the wrong direction.... Had they paid attention rather than have another agenda they would not have veered away from what Jesus said.

Protestants don't realize that they do exactly what they accuse Catholics of.

....I speak only for myself in answering your questions...so I don't .... But the Protestants I know don't do what catholics do in relationship to relics, and certainly not to dead corpses. Ever!

100 posted on 04/18/2015 6:21:25 AM PDT by caww
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; caww; Alex Murphy

Aquinas:

You beat me too it. I was going to link the Martyrdom of Saint Polycarp, Bishop, and disciple of the Apostle Saint John. This is as close to Apostolic times as you can get, as Saint John the Apostle would have been alive within recent memory of many of Saint [Bishop] Polycarp’s parishoners

Alex, I pinged you here as earlier you had a quote regarding relics, and an article questioning whether the relics discussed in the article were actually canonized saints. If the relics were martyr’s during Roman persecutions in the period prior to Theodosius making Catholicism-Christianity the state religion in circa 380, then by definition, they would be recognized as saints without the strict formal canonization process that we think of today.

http://newadvent.org/fathers/0102.htm


102 posted on 04/18/2015 6:33:26 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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