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To: CynicalBear; Burkianfrombrklyn
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... temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums;.... are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.[Cardinal Newman - Development of Christian Doctrine, pg 373]

Are you saying that none of these things can be used today because they are 'of pagan origin'? Pagans used temples, yet God commanded the building of temples which included lamps, incense, etc. Are you implying that God commanded people to be pagan? It is ridiculous to say that anything that was used by pagans can never again be used to the Glory of God. They are only pagan if they are used to worship false gods. It is not how you worship but Whom you worship which makes your form of worship either holy or sacrilegious. Sanctifying these things to God is not nonsense, using them to worship God is exactly what makes them legitimate. And you can repeat your belief otherwise as many times as you want and it will still not be true. I do not worship anybody but the One True God.

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Jesus was born under and lived under the law and would NOT have encouraged anyone to drink blood. If He had He would have been a sinner.

Under the old covenant. Jesus instituted the new covenant with the Last Supper, not only allowing but requiring that we eat his flesh and drink his blood 'indeed'.

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You conveniently use selective quotation of 1 Corinthians, leaving out verse 27 entirely and 'of the Lord' a couple of times:
[27] Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. [28] But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. [29] For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. [30] Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you, and many sleep.

They 'sleep' because they do not discern the body of the lord when they eat, which supports the real presence as opposed to the way you presented it out of context.

Love,
O2

30 posted on 04/06/2015 2:52:41 PM PDT by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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To: omegatoo
>>Sanctifying these things to God is not nonsense, using them to worship God is exactly what makes them legitimate.<<

God didn't say "unless you sanctify them".

>>Under the old covenant. Jesus instituted the new covenant with the Last Supper, not only allowing but requiring that we eat his flesh and drink his blood 'indeed'.<<

The old law could not be changed until after the death and resurrection of Jesus. The old law was in force until the veil was rent.

>>They 'sleep' because they do not discern the body of the lord when they eat,<<

So no Catholics die (sleep)?

Catholics twist and turn and change the words of scripture in an attempt to align with the pagan cult teachings of the Catholic Church. They fear relying on the teachings of the apostles alone as seen by their vitriolic hatred of Sola Scripura. It doesn't make sense. They then call themselves Christian! They don't follow Christ. They follow a church.

31 posted on 04/06/2015 3:06:24 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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