[cookcounty]

"I suspect the opposite is true. He was killed, and his later followers decided that this "must have been" part of a larger plan, and they "must have" misinterpreted everything he said while he was alive. Well, Paul, mostly."

…So then, speculation' that there might be some larger plan, they said "Ya shure, makes sense, let's die for this," and they went and got themselves crucified, killed in the arena by wild beasts, sawn in half, stoned to death, and drowned in rivers, ----for a bogus gospel.

An "explanation," perhaps, but not a serious one.

[A_perfect_lady]

…So then, speculation' that there might be some larger plan, they said "Ya shure, makes sense, let's die for this," and they went and got themselves crucified, killed in the arena by wild beasts, sawn in half, stoned to death, and drowned in rivers, ----for a bogus gospel.

Every movement has its martyrs. If willingness to die for a cause is proof of its truth, the muslims have us all beat. A more suicidal bunch of psychopaths I have never seen. But is that proof they are right? Of course not.