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To: NRx

“One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. i.e. the Orthodox Church.”

This is contradicted by history, y scripture, and the Early Church fathers. The Catholic Church alone has an unbroken line of Apostolic succession. Apparently you glaze over these facts and the statements of the early Church fathers that you call “cherry picking.”

Can you cite to any one of the early Church fathers who spoke to an “orthodox” Church that was untethered to Papal succession? The Synod of Rome in AD 382 that confirmed the selection of books in the Bible as the true word of God was under the auspices of infallible papal authority. If history tells us that the schism occurred around AD 1054, about seven centuries after the Synod of Rome, can you please explain how this infallible authority for some thousand years suddenly went out of the window because of a schismatic off-shoot that denies the Petrine doctrine?


63 posted on 03/21/2015 8:30:00 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Ah yet again you ignore my questions over and over again. They must be terribly inconvenient.

“This is contradicted by history, y scripture, and the Early Church fathers. The Catholic Church alone has an unbroken line of Apostolic succession.”

That statement is just bone crushing in its ignorance. The Roman Church has always recognized the unbroken Apostolic Succession in the Churches of the East. Seriously, your commentary is reaching the point where it is, or should be, profoundly embarrassing to your co-religionists.

“Apparently you glaze over these facts and the statements of the early Church fathers that you call “cherry picking.””

Hardly, I just linked an entire book in reply to your silly quotes. I don’t know how one can get more responsive than that.

“Can you cite to any one of the early Church fathers who spoke to an “orthodox” Church that was untethered to Papal succession? “

Read the book. You seem to think that the word “Catholic” is copyrighted by Rome. The manner in which you are employing it is entirely modern. Most people today use the term Catholic (with the large ‘C’) as a reference to the Roman Church purely as a matter of form and for convenience. This is also not universal in other languages. It is in no way a concession that the papal communion is the Church referenced in the Nicene Creed. That you do not understand this does not bode well.

“The Synod of Rome in AD 382 that confirmed the selection of books in the Bible as the true word of God was under the auspices of infallible papal authority. If history tells us that the schism occurred around AD 1054, about seven centuries after the Synod of Rome, can you please explain how this infallible authority for some thousand years suddenly went out of the window because of a schismatic off-shoot that denies the Petrine doctrine?”

Dear God, do you not read English? You keep raising this Synod, which was not an Ecumenical Council, it did not establish the Canon of Scripture for the Universal Church. THE EASTERN CHURCHES NEVER ACCEPTED THE ROMAN CANON OF SCRIPTURE. I have posted this several times already yet you keep affirming a falsehood in the hopes perhaps that if you repeat it often enough it will magically become true.

Now, after a half dozen, at least, posts back and forth, in which I have replied to each and everyone of your points, and you have ignored each and every one of mine, and have refused to respond to any of my questions, I believe it only fair that you should address some of my queries.

Here is another one for you.

Between AD 879-880 the Church held the Eighth Ecumenical Council. This Council was accepted by the entire Church with each local church granting recognition in turn. The legates of Pope John VIII were present and the Pope granted recognition of the Council on behalf of the Western Church. Among the results of the Council were the restoration of St. Photius the Great to his see, an agreement that the patriarchs would not meddle in each others churches and the explicit reaffirmation of the anathemas of the 3rd, 5th, and 6th Ecumenical Councils against all who dared to alter the Symbol of the Faith (Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed), thus condemning the Filioque. The Creed was recited by the Fathers and recorded in the acts of the Council in its original form. This remained the position of the entire Church for about two hundred years. Then in the 11th century, the Pope of Rome recanted and disavowed the 8th Holy and Ecumenical Council and unilaterally declared the robber council of 869-70 to be the Eighth Council without any input or consent from the rest of the Church. So much for Petrine infallibility.

Explain please.


64 posted on 03/21/2015 9:37:34 PM PDT by NRx
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To: Steelfish

P.S. to my last. Some of the language in my preceding reply to you was intemperate and uncharitable. I apologize. It is getting late here. I will look for your reply to my questions sometime tomorrow.


65 posted on 03/21/2015 9:50:47 PM PDT by NRx
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