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To: boatbums

If you have doubts that the early Church Fathers were not infallible when they assembled the canonical texts of the scripture you cite, and offer doubts on the same infallibility whereby the Church provides the Credo, then you must logically doubt whether the books they assembled were credible as well. In which case you must not cite scripture or Protestants should try assembling their own Bible. But you can’t have both.

You cannot cite to the infallible authority of the Church in authenticating the Bible and then doubt its subsequent infallibility. That Petrine infallibility in AD 382 on both the written and unwritten Word of God did not evaporate into the ether.

Playing “internet theologian” won’t do. So we must take “your” interpretation of Scripture or any other Tom, Dick, and Harry, or a Joel Osteen’s version versus those provided by the early Church Fathers and Augustine, Aquinas, Newman, Benedict and a litany of eminent Protestant theologians, scholars, authors, and preachers who converted to Catholicism?

In the year 110 A.D., not even fifteen years after the book of Revelation was written, while on his way to execution St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote:

“Where the bishop is present, there let the congregations gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church”. The Church believes that when the bishops speak as teachers, Christ speaks; for he said to them: “He who hears you, hears me; and he who rejects you, rejects me” (Lk 10, 16).

Can you point to any canonical texts that were different than those confirmed by the Synod of Rome in AD 382?

The Councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397) confirmed definitive list of canonical books in the Synod of Rome. These were ALL Councils of the ONE Church. From this point on, there is in practice no dispute about the canon of the Bible and its universal interpretation given by the Church. The only exception being the so-called Protestant Reformers, who entered upon the scene in 1517, an unbelievable 11 centuries later resulting in a tsunami of heresies where every local Foursquare Church pastor can offer his/her definitive interpretation of Scripture just as you are peddling “your” own interpretation of Scripture. This is what Jim Jones, David Koresh, Jimmy Swaggart, Benny Hinn, Billy Graham, Creflo Dollar and Joel Osteen etc have been doing to a gullible following.

Unfortunately, those in the Protestant pews are swallowing this theological cyanide while the theological intellectuals among the Protestants are converting to Catholicism.


34 posted on 03/20/2015 11:10:46 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

This is what Jim Jones, David Koresh, Jimmy Swaggart, Benny Hinn, Billy Graham, Creflo Dollar and Joel Osteen etc have been doing to a gullible following.


And the Roman Catholic church selling indulgences is different?


35 posted on 03/20/2015 11:28:29 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Steelfish
...those in the Protestant pews are swallowing this theological cyanide while the theological intellectuals among the Protestants are converting to Catholicism.

◄ 1 Corinthians 1 ►
English Standard Version

19 For it is written,

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”

20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preachb to save those who believe.
22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom,
23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,
24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards,c not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth.
27 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;
28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are,
29 so that no human beingd might boast in the presence of God.
30 And because of hime you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
31 so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
43 posted on 03/21/2015 6:53:01 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Steelfish; boatbums
If you have doubts that the early Church Fathers were not infallible when they assembled the canonical texts of the scripture you cite, and offer doubts on the same infallibility whereby the Church provides the Credo, then you must logically doubt whether the books they assembled were credible as well. But you can’t have both.

You must have missed Boatbums' post #33. Protestants trust the infallibility of the Holy Spirit to protect the Word, not the infallibility of the early Church Fathers, nor the infallibility of any institutional church. We trust that the Holy Spirit protected God's Word throughout the human process.

There is nothing inconsistent with accepting the truths of the Apostles' Creed while questioning some undocumented legends about its origins. That is exactly what all these scholars with whom you seem to be so impressed do as a vocation. Whether actually created by the Apostles or a later creation, it is a wonderful summary of the Christian faith. A scholar would also realize that if the word "catholic" is included that it would be the small "c" version of the word meaning universal.

But you can’t have both.

In a true dilemma, that would be correct but not in a false dilemma like you laid out.

47 posted on 03/21/2015 9:35:08 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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