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To: GreyFriar; fwdude; NYer
>>Our focus needs to be on the unity of all Christians,<<

And put faith in which Jesus? The one that ate blood and sinned or the one who didn't? The one who has to listen to Mary or the one who is the "all in all"? The one who listens to dead "saints" or the one who directed us to go directly to the throne of grace?

26 posted on 03/20/2015 1:02:12 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Jesus never drank of the cup that He gave to His disciples. Scripture never says that He did.

Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. [R] [+]
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; [R] [+]
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. [R] [+]
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

Mark 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. [R] [+]
23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. [R] [+]
24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. [R] [+]
25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Luke 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: [R] [+]
16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. [R] [+]
17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: [R] [+]
18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. [R] [+]
19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [R] [+]
20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


29 posted on 03/20/2015 1:14:15 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: CynicalBear
The one that ate blood and sinned or the one who didn't?

You're a broken record. I don't think it will do any good this time either... but you've already been answered many times.

34 posted on 03/20/2015 1:43:44 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: CynicalBear
And put faith in which Jesus?

Exactly. The Catholic "Jesus" is a perpetual helpless infant eternally in the lap of the overpowering "Mary," who ultimately calls the shots. Honestly, He is ALWAYS depicted this way, or perpetually on the cross.

The Jesus most non-Catholic Christians worship is high and lifted up, seated at the right hand of the Father, NOT by his stern "mother."

42 posted on 03/20/2015 2:14:06 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: CynicalBear; GreyFriar; fwdude; Bellflower
And put faith in which Jesus? The one that ate blood and sinned or the one who didn't? The one who has to listen to Mary or the one who is the "all in all"? The one who listens to dead "saints" or the one who directed us to go directly to the throne of grace?

Thank you Cynical Bear and Bellflower for your comments which corroborate Renee Joy's statements.

I started studying not to become Catholic, but to disprove it, to find that fatal flaw that allowed me to cross them off my list as a viable option. But the more I dug, the more I learned and the more it made sense. I had to learn to separate what I had drilled in my head for years, decades really, by the teachers/preachers in my life, the code phrases that were programmed in -- the "compare everything to Scripture" (but not necessarily Scripture in context, but Scripture as interpreted and presented by the leadership of that denomination, hence the major debate over sprinkling vs dunking, predestination vs foreknowledge, etc). It all really does come down to the apostolic tradition, and the verses in the New Testament that refer to that being relevant. How we interpret anything is dependent on who is doing the interpreting and what criteria they use, what bias they have.

IOW, non-Catholic christians, through personal interpretation of scripture, each act as their own pope. Can there be more than one interpretation of the Bible? No. The word "truth" is used several times in the New Testament. However, the plural version of the word "truth" never appears in Scripture. Therefore, there can only be one Truth.

To have the Bible as the only and sole authority of Christianity is to invite chaos into His Church. There are at least 5 Protestant denominations created every year based on a different interpretation of the Bible. Theoretically, anyone who owns a Bible can create their own denomination based on their own interpretation of Scripture. Taken to its logical conclusion, chaos is what happens when the doctrine of "Sola Scriptura" is applied. And Christ stated "A tree is recognized by its fruit" (Matthew 12:33) and the doctrine of Sola Scriptura produces "bad fruit" (disunity, confusion and separation).

50 posted on 03/20/2015 3:08:39 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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