Posted on 03/18/2015 4:38:28 PM PDT by NYer
They have to take the vow or else they can’t be a priest. There’s no biblical reason to force men who want to be church leaders to take such a vow. Homosexuals haven’t seemed minding to take them because “marriage” isn’t what they are into. This has definitely negatively affected the crop of potential good men candidates who would make good priests.
Our parish has 2 priests and 3 married permanent deacons. It doesn't bother you, men having all these choices, does it?
If you think limiting men because they are married is good church policy, with no biblical command to, then God bless.
It’s futile to continue on this. Probably see you on some other topic.
There are more married deacons in the Catholic Church in the USA (around 15,000) than there are priests in religious orders like the Jesuits and the Franciscans (about 14,000).
Any man can make his own choice whether he has a vocation to celibacy or to marriage. If a married man takes all the necessary steps to become a Permanent Deacon, he can preside at Communion services, he can do Baptisms and Marriages, he can bring the Eucharist to the sick and homebound, he can give people religious counseling and spiritual direction, he can be a prison chaplain or a military chaplain or a hospital chaplain, he can be on the pastoral team for a parish or a chancery officer for the Diocese, he can be a Diocesan Chancellor or a Canon Lawyer or a Tribunal Judge --- and do all of this as a married man.
Just where is the problem?
Some men choose to be celibate like Jesus and St. Paul. This is what they discern they have been called to. I don't see what's wrong with letting them make this choice.
Thank you for explaining that. I wondered at the time, why the Pope chose to communicate an idea, using that mildly slanderous expression. It was not his expression to begin with.
You’re welcome.
Yea just don’t be rabbits
“We have friends living in “retirement communities “. The very idea seems horrible to us. “
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I’m with you.
I’m an 82 year old in a condo building with all ages.
It’s perfect.
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“Isn’t this the same Pope Francis who ‘chastised’ Catholics for wanting to ‘breed like rabbits’? So which is it?”
So, according to your logic, the only two possibilities are:
1) ‘breed like rabbits”
or
2) no children
There is a third option: traditional Christian practice.
If he can do all this, why relegate him to a position of no advancement within the church, all because he’s married?
Again, absolutely no biblical requirement or command church leaders (priests, bishops/archbishops, cardinals, etc) be celibate.
None. the only thing stated is Paul’s PERSONAL opinion - as he says it is his own opinion - that if you are one of the few that can be celibate and not give into lust, it’s better to remain celibate. But for MOST they cannot do this.
His comments also were also in the context of any Christian, not targeted at church leaders.
Anyway, bye, I’m done.
You're grasping at straws to find objections.
Good night. I'm done,too.
I did notice you never dealt with the other point I brought up.
Per the awesomeness of being a Chancellor, apparently you ovesold it:
In the Roman Catholic Church a chancellor is the chief record-keeper of a diocese or eparchy or their equivalent. Normally a priest, sometimes a deacon or layperson, the chancellor keeps the official archives of the diocese, as a notary certifies documents, and generally manages the administrative offices (and sometimes finances and personnel) of a diocese. He may be assisted by vice-chancellors. Though he manages the paperwork and office (called the “chancery”), has no actual jurisdictional authority: the bishop of the diocese exercises decision-making authority through his judicial vicar, in judicial matters, and the vicar general for administrative matters.
I wonder why people can’t just say, “Yes, of course this is true.”
My Mom wants nothing to do with her grandkids. She moved to Seattle to keep away from them.
I knew my grandpa very well growing up, my children will not have that. The Boomer stereotype has some basis in reality.
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