[papertyger]

The success stories are a fairly big part of AA. Excluding them is not only biased, its transparently fraudulent.

No more than claiming the success of The Latter Day Saints shows their Christian orthodoxy.

Nevertheless, thanks for the warning.

[Talisker]

No more than claiming the success of The Latter Day Saints shows their Christian orthodoxy.

Nonsense. AA had been a spectacular success in literally millions of lives for well over a half-century. Denying that is unconscionable.

Nevertheless, thanks for the warning.

You misunderstand, I'm not trying to help you. I just want to make sure that once you're in hell, you can't get out.