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To: sasportas
"...the devils also believe, and tremble." James 2:19

If there is no Rapture of the Church, why are the enemies of the Lord planning "The Lie" so diligently?

Occult and new age magazines and books are replete with false narratives to explain away this event with which you disagree.

Here are but a few of the quotes:

Planet Earth will be spared certain annihilation by an extraterrestrial evacuation of millions of people who threaten the harmony and evolution of the Earth.

Many of these beings who are leaving this planet must move on, for their thought patterns are of the past.

Those who refuse to be enlightened and infused with the light of God will be taken to other planets that are uninhabited...

Sources:

Project World Evacuation: UfOs to Assist in the "Great Exodus" of Human Souls Off This Planet - Feb 9, 1993

Earth: Pleiadian Keys to the Living Library – November 1, 1994

Bringers of the Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians - Dec 1, 1992

In any event, all will be explained on your way up.

97 posted on 03/13/2015 12:37:30 PM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Mrs.Z

I am against new age occultism as much as you.

I believe there will be a rapture, we agree on that. Where we differ is whether the rapture and 2nd coming are one combined event at the last day, or whether they are two very separate events. I believe the former, apparently you believe the latter.


103 posted on 03/13/2015 1:08:22 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Mrs.Z; amessenger4god; All
Mrs.Z, I notice you haven’t had anything more to say about Ephraem of Syria. You stressed it quite a bit, and so did amessenger4god in the lead article.

Now, I don’t think Ephraem is such a big deal myself, as there is something like 20 or more witnesses from the ECF that most emphatically contradict the notion that the early centuries of Christianity support a pretrib rapture. Just the opposite is true, virtually EVERY witness from those early centuries witness for a singular rapture/2nd coming event. Your Ephraem of Syria being the ONLY exception...and a very poor one at that.

It is thus no wonder you and amessenger4god focus so much attention on Ephraem, as also other pretribs.

As I have tried to point out, Ephraem is not all that great a witness for your case, it turns out. See my posts 77 and 82. I quoted from Bob Gundry in post 82 on “true” Ephraem and “false” Ephraem.” I continue where I left off:

“According to true Ephraem, “there is nothing remaining except that the coming of our enemy the Antichrist be revealed (Sermon on Asceticism).

Ephraem warns ‘us’ Christians against the Antichrist BECAUSE THE ANTICHRIST WILL COME BEFORE THE CHRIST (Sermon on the End and the Consummation, the Judgment and the Reward, and on Gog and Magog, and on the False Messiah 433-40)...Ephraem goes on to describe as our hope the coming of Christ AFTER the tribulation (ibid. 94).” [my caps]

Now, be honest Mrs.Z and amessenger4god, and every other pretrib, midtrib, or prewrath rapturist that reads this, and believes Ephraem to be historical evidence for your case, does THIS sound like Ephraem supports your views?

121 posted on 03/13/2015 4:14:51 PM PDT by sasportas
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