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To: bramps; All
Do you think a pre-teen or teen can at least believe in Christ when baptized? How about a baby?

#1...the argument I was addressing was a supposed "absence" from Scripture...IoW, the argument was based upon "lack of revelation"...So now that the argument falls flat on its face, what? We shift to an argument based upon the powers of human observation? (That's quite an abrupt argument shift!)

#2...Last time I looked, John 17:3 defines "eternal life" as "knowing"...

If I asked you how long you've known your Mom, what? You're going to give me some answer that goes back either only to your teenagehood? or pre-teen days??? Really?

Who here is going to claim that a baby has 0% ability to trust (know) another personage?

#3...whatever you conclude about these matters, please keep in mind that however you assign...
...whatever you assign...
...to "infants" and toddlers...
...is likewise also applied to hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of special needs' kids & adults around the world...people who -- intellectually speaking -- are either at or not much beyond that level of development.

11 posted on 03/05/2015 8:12:32 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

#3...whatever you conclude about these matters, please keep in mind that however you assign...
...whatever you assign...
...to “infants” and toddlers...
...is likewise also applied to hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of special needs’ kids & adults around the world...people who — intellectually speaking — are either at or not much beyond that level of development.
....................................................

No, under normal circumstances an infant will eventually develop the level of intellect to make their own choice.
A special needs individual, many times, will not. In both circumstances I don’t think any fair minded person would think God would not account for this fact and in both cases realize who is and who isn’t at one point capable of accepting Christ as their savior. The problem comes with an infant who is eventually told because they were baptized as a baby they are saved and going to heaven. They make no real effort to know Christ and be truly born again. I think today’s society is a very clear picture of what that leads to. Countless individuals who act in complete disregard to biblical teachings and the results speak for themselves.


19 posted on 03/05/2015 10:02:14 PM PST by bramps (Go West America!)
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