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To: metmom
Show us where Scripture tells us that members of ANY denomination are Christians because of the church they attend.

Straw man. First of all, "Show us where Scripture [etc.] " is only compelling for sola Scriptura adherents... and since sola Scriptura is unbiblical, self-contradictiory and man-made, no one needs to bother about satisfying its artificial requirements. Second, who's claiming that anyone is a Christian because of the church they attend? I'm not. I know of many people who don't even claim to be Christian, who attend once or twice out of curiosity (and some of them convert); I know of others who are not validly baptized, but who still attend.
91 posted on 03/03/2015 1:32:32 PM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan
Second, who's claiming that anyone is a Christian because of the church they attend?

Some of your Catholic cohorts who keep telling us that all Catholics are Christians and all Christians are Catholics, even if they don't know it yet.

And your Catholic cohorts who keep telling us that they're Christian and born again because of being baptized into the Catholic church.

92 posted on 03/03/2015 1:34:58 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: paladinan
Second, who's claiming that anyone is a Christian because of the church they attend?

How many times have we read that ALL Catholics are Christians??? I'll bet you've said it yourself...

106 posted on 03/03/2015 2:56:20 PM PST by Iscool
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To: paladinan; metmom
Straw man. First of all, "Show us where Scripture [etc.] " is only compelling for sola Scriptura adherents.

Actually, you have just made you OWN straw man. Sola Scriptura means ONLY that scripture contains ALL THAT IS NEEDED for salvation... in terms of the Catholic Cult, this does mean that "Holy Tradition" is basically pap. It does NOT mean that everything that was ever written is contained expressly therein. Here is a quote from John MacArthur, taken from Ligonier,org:

"The Reformation principle of sola Scriptura has to do with the sufficiency of Scripture as our supreme authority in all spiritual matters. Sola Scriptura simply means that all truth necessary for our salvation and spiritual life is taught either explicitly or implicitly in Scripture. It is not a claim that all truth of every kind is found in Scripture. The most ardent defender of sola Scriptura will concede, for example, that Scripture has little or nothing to say about DNA structures, microbiology, the rules of Chinese grammar, or rocket science. This or that “scientific truth,” for example, may or may not be actually true, whether or not it can be supported by Scripture—but Scripture is a “more sure Word,” standing above all other truth in its authority and certainty. It is “more sure,” according to the apostle Peter, than the data we gather firsthand through our senses (2 Peter 1:19). Therefore, Scripture is the highest and supreme authority on any matter on which it speaks.

But there are many important questions on which Scripture is silent. Sola Scriptura makes no claim to the contrary. Nor does sola Scriptura claim that everything Jesus or the apostles ever taught is preserved in Scripture. It only means that everything necessary, everything binding on our consciences, and everything God requires of us is given to us in Scripture (2 Peter 1:3).

Furthermore, we are forbidden to add to or take away from Scripture (cf. Deut. 4:2; 12:32; Rev. 22:18–19). To add to it is to lay on people a burden that God Himself does not intend for them to bear (cf. Matt. 23:4).

Scripture is therefore the perfect and only standard of spiritual truth, revealing infallibly all that we must believe in order to be saved and all that we must do in order to glorify God. That—no more, no less—is what sola Scriptura means.

“The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man’s salvation, faith, and life, is either expressly set down in scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.” — Westminster Confession of Faith

Adapted from John MacArthur’s contribution to Sola Scriptura: The Protestant Position on the Bible."

Emphasis mine.

So, now... let's not have any straw men.

Hoss

127 posted on 03/04/2015 6:44:19 AM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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