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They did their own will and projected in onto God. Sorry for their cross of infertility (not unconnected sometimes to years of contraceptive use; another grave evil so many of Christ’s followers erroneously think he’s okay with because they’re deceived by the devil and dominated by the world), but not every idea that pops into our head nor every good feeling is the voice of God.

Just wow....

A couple is dealing with infertility and you imply that it's because of sin in their lives involving alleged, presumed contraceptive use?

You have no knowledge of the causes of their infertility and to pass judgment on them knowing neither them nor their health history, is beyond reprehensible. It's slander, plain and simple.

Your holier-than-thouness is showing.

Shame on you for that kind of spiritual pride and judgment.

Just wow.... A couple is dealing with infertility and you imply that it's because of sin in their lives involving alleged, presumed contraceptive use?

1) Did you miss the qualifying word "sometimes"?

2) Why are you assuming that those who are using an evil technique are necessarily SINNING? MDLION never said anything of the sort. For a sin to be committed, three things need to happen: (a) the person needs to do something morally wrong; (b) the person needs to KNOW (sufficiently) that it's wrong; and (c) the person needs to choose (with sufficient freedom) to do it anyway. It's quite possible (and all too common) for people to be so brainwashed by the culture that they genuinely don't know that the evil thing is evil. (How many Protestants remember that contraception is evil? Not many. Before 1930, they all knew; now... not so much.) Your assumption that the couple was sinning, and your assumption that MDLION was accusing them of having sin on their souls, was rather judgmental and rash of you.

You have no knowledge of the causes of their infertility and to pass judgment on them knowing neither them nor their health history, is beyond reprehensible. It's slander, plain and simple.

There's no need for dramatics. No slander was committed (see above) in that comment; and it's a plain fact that IVF *is* evil; and it's a plain fact that (as seemed to be MDLION's original point) those who claim that "the Holy Spirit is leading them" may be dead wrong, no matter WHAT they think Scripture says.

Besides... if you're worried about slander, perhaps you might take a gander at what they're saying about Dr. Hahn, up-thread...

Your holier-than-thouness is showing.

And I'll say it again: "Irony, thy name is metmom."

Shame on you for that kind of spiritual pride and judgment.

Right back at you, FRiend. You have NO RIGHT to pass judgmet and accuse MDLION (or anyone else on this forum) of spiritual pride (and I'd be curious how you know--without reading minds and hearts--that anyone's being proud, rather than sincerely disagreeing with you, for example). Shame on you. Again: are you trying to score points for the most ironic statements made in a single thread?

Your holier-than-thouness is showing. Shame on you for that kind of spiritual pride and judgment.

You will of course jump to admonish the non-Catholics on this thread for the exact same treatment they are giving Scott Hahn.

I was wondering why you have yet to answer the questions I asked you on the other thread.