I never try to bail out a person guilty of dereliction of duty....but again I say...we don't know the state of their souls at that moment.....did they confess and get repentence for past violations....was there a condition in their conscience that did not cause their sin to be mortal??????
I have not been elected judge here and while I CERTAINLY have strong opinions I am not of a high enough pay grade to condemn another soul to hell.....not me!!!
I think we certainly do know the state they are in. Because of what they say and do and say they believe. Or are you calling them liars as to what they say they believe and promote?