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To: pastorbillrandles
"Cain and Abel were not the only children of Adam and Eve, they were merely the subject of Genesis 4. Obviously they would have been expected to marry one of their sisters, Adam and Eve’s daughters."

Just re-read Genesis. As I've long know, there is no mention in how Cain came to "marry one of their sisters, Adam and Eve's daughters" in Chapters 1 through 3, as you have claimed.

The first part of Chapter 4 is about Cain and Able. Then it suddenly states at [4:17] "Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch; ..." Nowhere in Chapter 4 nor the above Chapters does it even imply his sister was his wife. Where do you get this?

With due respect, the Old Testament writings are fables. I read recently of Christians quoting the New Testament in arguements. Few bother with the Old Testament any more.

Still, I respect your faith. However, you have to do better than quoting Genesis and guessing Cain married a sister. I want to believe, but no one has ever shown me any empirical proof of the Old Testament, not to mention logical reasoning.

I base my beliefs and behavior on inherent human virtues. That makes much more sense to me than a god that needs petty human worship and is vengeful. Personaly, I believe the creator behind the Universe just got lonely after seeing his "creation", as many are now thinking. Maybe he decided to find a point in space that worked within his model and give the micropes a lift up to work within his design?

Thank you for your goodness where ever it comes from.

14 posted on 02/20/2015 6:35:22 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

Dear NV, I appreciate your honesty. First of ll Genesis is not a comprehensive account of every facet of Adam and Eve’s family. Everything in Genesis is put there to make specific theological points.It is obvious that in the beginning of the human race. men would have had to have married their sisters. The OT writings are highly attested in Archeology as well as in other accounts of Ancient history.
Unfortunately it is true that many Christians don’t bother with the OT anymore but that is a symptom of apostasy, and faithlessness, accommodation to modernistic sensibilities.
Jesus quoted the OT, calling it scripture and treating it as true history.

Nv my advice is not to start with the Old Testament, start with Jesus, read the gospel of John and allow the Son of God to touch your heart.
BTW God is not vengeful in the sense you and I understand it. He is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe which He made, and He made it to be a moral universe, because He is HOLY. That is why He must ultimately punish all sin, wrongdoing and evil.
I see why you recognize inherent human virtues and try to base your beliedf on them, but it must be frustrating to see along those virtues, and incurable crookedness and even perversion in human nature as well. The beauty of man is that All of us are made in the Image of God, but the horror is that we have fallen.Man is capable of so much good, but also such depth of depravity.

Though He is HOLY, and must punish sin, God is Love also and would save sinners. The problem is that God can not deny his own nature. He will never allow “love” to cancel out His holiness nor vice versa. In other words He will never sweep evil under the carpet and just unconditionally forgive man.
Sin has to be paid for and the wages is death. That is why He sent Jesus Christ His son to die on the cross for our sins. WE know that this is why He died, because on the third day God raised him from the dead.
Stay in touch my friend,I will happily converse with you any time-


15 posted on 02/20/2015 9:11:22 PM PST by pastorbillrandles (The choice isn't heaven or Hell. its heaven or the world)
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To: A Navy Vet

With due respect, the Old Testament writings are fables.


The reason you think of it as being fables may be that you are reading it from the understanding of others rather than your own understanding.

In the first place I think it would be ridicules to believe God would explain his creation down to the letter to a people who would not understand it any way,

it would be like trying to explain to a three year old child where it came from.

Even if the child understood would it be the thing to do? I don`t think so.

I will get hell for this but I believe there may have been two parts of the creation and I do mean CREATION, I do not believe Adam and eve were created on the sixth day but much later.

At the time they were created there was no man to till the ground, maybe it is because they had not been taught.

Genesis 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Could it be that the Sons of God were from Adam and eve and the daughters of men were the ones God created on the sixth day?

It is just a thought, not because I think it is fable but just the opposite, I think it is a fact that we know nothing about.


16 posted on 02/21/2015 4:28:27 AM PST by ravenwolf (s letters scripture.)
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