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To: ealgeone; CpnHook; CynicalBear; Elsie
Your presumption is that when Jesus was talking to His disciples it was always in Aramaic. A Jew might argue it was Hebrew.

Let's go to the Book ... it is recorded in scripture:

He took the child by the hand and said to her, “Talitha koum,” which means, “Little girl, I say to you, arise!” Mk 5:41

And at three o’clock Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?”* which is translated, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Mk 15:34

That is Aramaic, not Hebrew, not Latin, not Greek. We KNOW from scripture that Jesus spoke Aramaic. For that reason, Mel Gibson's production of the Passion of the Christ uses Aramaic. According to Linguist Professor Geoffrey Khan of the University of Cambridge, the 3,000-year-old language was once common throughout the entire Middle East and was used for trade, government and divine worship from the Holy Land to India and China. It is also the language of large sections of the biblical books of Daniel and Ezra, and is the main language of the Talmud (a key Jewish text). Parts of the ancient Dead Sea scrolls were written in Aramaic.

244 posted on 02/14/2015 6:02:07 AM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

The NT was God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired in Greek.

Speculating on what someone may have spoken and how it may have been said and what words may have been used to say it without any documentation or manuscripts is a waste of time and all it does is portray the person making the claims as looking like they are deliberately searching for something to impugn the very word of God.

So what’s the big problem that Catholics have with having Jesus Christ being the rock on which their church is built?

Isn’t He good enough for them that they need to substitute Peter for Him?

Hmmm, let me see. Jesus, who is the *petra*, the Author and finisher of our faith, the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the One who died for me and rose again?

Or Peter, who denied Jesus, who rebuked Him, who was rebuked BY Him, who cowardly engaged in hypocrisy and led other believers astray, so that Paul had to rebuke him?

Wow. What a choice.

I know Whom I’m trusting to lead me.


245 posted on 02/14/2015 6:13:54 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: NYer
Did I say Jesus never spoke Aramaic?

Catholic reading skills need some work indeed.

246 posted on 02/14/2015 6:21:06 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: NYer; ealgeone; CpnHook; Elsie
Koine Greek (/ˈkɔɪniː/ or /ˈkɔɪneɪ/; from κοινός/κοινή "common", also known as Alexandrian dialect, common Attic or Hellenistic Greek) was the common supra-regional form of Greek spoken and written during Hellenistic and Roman antiquity. It developed through the spread of Greek following the conquests of Alexander the Great in the 4th century BC, and served as the common lingua franca of much of the Mediterranean region and the Middle East during the following centuries. It was based mainly on Attic and related Ionic speech forms, with various admixtures brought about through dialect levelling with other varieties. [Bubenik, V. (2007). "The rise of Koiné". In A. F. Christidis. A history of Ancient Greek: from the beginnings to late antiquity. Cambridge: University Press. pp. 342–345.]

As the dominant language of the Byzantine Empire it developed further into Medieval Greek, the main ancestor of Modern Greek. [Horrocks, Geoffrey C. (2010). Greek: a history of the language and its speakers (2nd ed.). London: Longman. p. xiii. ISBN 978-1-4051-3415-6.]

When Koine Greek became a language of literature by the 1st century BC, some people distinguished it into two forms: written (Greek) as the literary post-classical form (which should never be confused with Atticism), and vernacular as the day to day spoken form. [Andriotis, Nikolaos P. History of the Greek Language.]

Koine Greek was the popular form of Greek which emerged in post-classical antiquity (c.300 BC – AD 300), and marks the third period in the history of the Greek language. [Andriotis, Nikolaos P. History of the Greek language]

The mainstream consensus is that the New Testament was written in a form of Koine Greek,[1][2] which was the common language of the Eastern Mediterranean[3][4][5][6] from the Conquests of Alexander the Great (335–323 BC) until the evolution of Byzantine Greek [Henry St. John Thackeray Grammar of New Testament Greek ed. Friedrich Wilhelm Blass, 1911]

250 posted on 02/14/2015 7:15:19 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NYer
Let's go to the Book ... it is recorded in scripture:

I almost fell out of my chair when I saw this....a catholic relying up on the Word for authority!

You're getting there. Keep going.

Again....to be clear. I never said Jesus did not speak in Aramaic.

He would have been fluent in Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew.

For that matter He would have been fluent in any language He chose to speak.

251 posted on 02/14/2015 7:42:53 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: NYer; ealgeone; CpnHook; Elsie

Please show the post in which anyone denied that Jesus spoke Aramaic. Then please show proof that the Holy Spirit recorded His words in Matthew in Aramaic.


254 posted on 02/14/2015 9:09:00 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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