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To: CynicalBear

All right... but you didn’t answer my second question: does anyone in your place of worship wear a wedding ring, and (if so) are you prepared to rebuke them?

Re: Jesus being the High Priest: of *course*, He is... but He also established deacons (1 Tim 3:8, etc.: “diakonoi”) and priests (Titus 1:5, etc.: “presbyterous”) and bishops (1 Tim 3:2, etc.: “Episkopoi”)to serve “in persona Christi”—that is, if you believe St. Paul and all of Church history. I can’t fathom why you insist on an “either/or” mindset, when God is quite happy to do “both/and”! Is it so unfathomable to you that God could have deacons, priests, and bishops WHO ARE SUBORDINATE TO, AND IN, Jesus Christ? Is it beyond God’s power to do that, do you suppose?


203 posted on 02/12/2015 6:10:53 AM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan
>>All right... but you didn’t answer my second question: does anyone in your place of worship wear a wedding ring, and (if so) are you prepared to rebuke them?<<

Read this again.

Deuteronomy 12:30 and after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, "How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same."

Would you explain to me how a wedding ring was used by the pagans to "serve their gods?

>>and priests (Titus 1:5, etc.: “presbyterous”)<<

4245 presbýteros – properly, a mature man having seasoned judgment (experience); an elder. [http://biblehub.com/greek/4245.htm]

If you think "presbyterous" means priest then you had better be consistent and install women priests.

1 Timothy 5:2 The elder (presbyteras) women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.

Surely you wouldn't want to be hypocritical would you? Where do you think these women who believe they are allowed to be priests comes from? >>bishops (1 Tim 3:2, etc.: “Episkopoi”)to serve “in persona Christi”—that is, if you believe St. Paul and all of Church history.<<

"persona Christi"? Wherever did you get the definition of "persona Christi" from episkopos?

1985 epískopos (a masculine noun, derived from 1909 /epí, "on/fitting contact," which intensifies 4649 /skopós, "look intently," like at an end-marker concluding a race) – properly, an overseer; a man called by God to literally "keep an eye on" His flock (the Church, the body of Christ), i.e. to provide personalized (first hand) care and protection (note the epi, "on"). [http://biblehub.com/greek/1985.htm]

There is nothing in scripture that can be translated "in persona Christi" or "in the person of Christ". The closest anyone can get is "in the face of" or "in the presence of" Christ.

207 posted on 02/12/2015 7:13:15 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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