Sola Scriptura

The John Ankerberg Show ^ | Feb.11,2015 | James McCarthy;

[metmom]

Those are not real answers. Catholics quote Paul for their support of tradition. Fine. Then tell us what traditions Paul taught that he didn’t include in Scripture that are so important that we know for salvation and maturity.

For one thing, you can’t depend on Scripture to give you authority if you don’t recognize its inherent authority over the church. That’s pulling yourself up by your boot straps.

And another, quoting the same verses to answer all the questions isn’t an answer. There’s no documentation. No links to sources or proofs.

*The Catechism*? Where does the CCC specify that its statements are from Paul, from the tradition that he handed down?

And you know that’s from Paul just how?

Prove that Paul taught what’s in the CCC.

Prove that what the CCC is Holy Spirit inspired Truth on par with Scripture.

The church claiming it’s so doesn’t make is so. What are the source documents for verification purposes?

[bike800]

On whose authority do people say the bible is inspired?

[metmom]

2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered, “It is written,“‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

Luke 24:25-27 And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 24:32 They said to each other, “Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the Scriptures?”

Luke 24:44-49Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

Paul tells us that Scripture equips the believer for every good work, making him complete.

How is *complete, equipped for every good work* not sufficient?

Does *complete* mean *complete*? Or not?

[bike800]

Because the Church is going to put together a set of letters written to communities here and there...declare them as inspired...while knowing that this set of letters will contradict the whole of catholic teaching that had developed in the prior 350 years. Then they will be the only people available that could read and write...painstakingly preserving said inspired letters...all the while worshiping in a manner that is completely contradicted by the letters that they are preserving ...yep makes sense to me

[metmom]

Case in point: if the Bible doesn't teach "sola Scriptura" (i.e. the Bible repeatedly says that it's important and necessary, but it never says that it's the SOLE rule of Faith... nor does it ever say that it was ever DESIGNED to be used ALONE), then isn't it illogical of you to promote sola Scriptura?

Scripture does teach that it is adequate for the believer.

BTW, no it is not mind reading to state the RC's try to make others look bad. How I know that RC's do that is obvious from the comments most of them make when they attack the messenger instead of addressing the message.

And if you're worried about people making digs at each other, be an equal opportunity chastiser. Post the same to your Catholic colleagues when they take digs at others.

Tell me. Why is God breathed Holy Spirit inspired Scripture NOT authoritative, the standard by which truth claims should be measured, the rule of faith, and enough for equipping every believer completely, making him equppied for EVERY good work?

[metmom]

Case in point: if the Bible doesn't teach "sola Scriptura" (i.e. the Bible repeatedly says that it's important and necessary, but it never says that it's the SOLE rule of Faith... nor does it ever say that it was ever DESIGNED to be used ALONE), then isn't it illogical of you to promote sola Scriptura?

So then, by that reasoning, (because a specific word or phrase is not found written down in Scripture it's not Scriptural), the Bible must not be “scriptural” and the Holy Trinity must not "scriptural".

Then that must mean that these things are not Scriptural either.

trinity

catholic

pope

eucharist

sacraments

annulment

assumption

immaculate conception

mass

purgatory

magisterium

infallible

confirmation

crucifix

rosary

mortal sin

venial sin

perpetual virginity

apostolic succession

indulgences

hyperdulia

catechism

real presence

transubstantiation

liturgy

free will

holy water

monstrance

sacred tradition

apostolic succession

Benefactress

Mediatrix

Queen of Heaven

Mother of God

beatific vision

[metmom]

Jesus did not speak Greek. Check the Aramaic.

Prove it.

[metmom]

OK, so why do Catholics object to Jesus being the Rock on which the church is built?

What’s wrong with that?

[metmom]

Except that Christ established a Church to teach the Truth.

The WORD of God is the TRUTH, and it was written down for all to read.

A church will only teach the truth as much as it stays true to Scripture.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “On whose authority do people say the bible is inspired?” <<

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If you don’t believe, why would you care?

Unbelievers will not be saved anyway.
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[plain talk]

Thanks for posting.

[bike800]

I am a believer...I do care...and I am interested in people reasoning process..countless times I have heard people use the argument “ because it says so”

[WildHighlander57]

Boøkmarking

[ifinnegan]

“Jesus did not speak Greek. Check the Aramaic.”

You probably don’t realize that in saying the above, your argument is that the scripture is flawed and Jesus’ words were mistranslated by Matthew.

Sure that’s what you want to say?

[bike800]

Most of those can be inferred from scripture anyway

[RnMomof7]

Where did Christ establish a Bible?

All scripture is God breathed.. if you check the gospels you will see that Jesus was sola scriptura. He quoted from it 84 times ...

"He referred to the divine authority of the Old Testament (Mt. 5:17-18; 8:17; 12:40-42; Lk. 4:18-21; 10:25-28; 15:29-31; 17:32; 24:25-45; Jn. 5:39-47). He quoted the Old Testament 78 times, the Pentateuch alone 26 times. He quoted from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Amos, Jonah, Micah, and Malachi. He referred to the Old Testament as “The Scriptures,” “the word of God,” and “the wisdom of God.” The apostles quoted 209 times from the Old Testament and considered it “the oracles of God.” The Old Testament in hundreds of places predicted the events of the New Testament; and as the New Testament is the fulfillment of, and testifies to the genuineness and authenticity of the Old Testament, both Testaments must be considered together as the Word of God.( God's Plan for Man Jennings Dake.

Where did Christ say his Church would be based on a Bible?

John 5:24"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.Where did the table of contents of the Bible come from?

" The chapter divisions commonly used today were developed by Stephen Langton, an Archbishop of Canterbury. Langton put the modern chapter divisions into place in around A.D. 1227. The Wycliffe English Bible of 1382 was the first Bible to use this chapter pattern. Since the Wycliffe Bible, nearly all Bible translations have followed Langton's chapter divisions."(Got Questions)

Why is Philemon on the Bible?

Because the Holy Spirit inspired it

Why did Luther remove Maccabees 1,500 years after Christ established His Church?

Actually the question should be why did Rome add it to the canon? Even Jerome did not place it in the canon.. Rome had no official canon til trent

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[redleghunter]

The Bible cannot be the sole rule of faith, because the first Christians didn’t have the New Testament. Initially, Tradition, the oral teachings of the apostles, was the Church’s rule of faith. The New Testament came later when a portion of Tradition was put to writing. It was the Roman Catholic Church that produced the New Testament, and it was the Church that infallibly told us what books belong in the Bible. It is the Church, therefore, that is the authoritative teacher of Scripture. Sola Scriptura is not even taught in the Bible. The rule of faith of the Roman Catholic Church, therefore, is rightly Scripture and Tradition together.

Like a skipping CD, we hear the above circular 'logical' reasoning daily here. It is like the DNC talking points.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

Ankerburg doesn’t provide any verse showing that “the Bible is the sole or ultimate rule of faith.”

I found this particularly amusing:

-— Scriptures achieve their stated purpose: “that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:17 NIV).

They are the perfect guide to the Christian faith-—

How does he jump from the Scriptures helping to prepare presbyters (the “man of God”) for every good work, to the Scriptures being the “perfect guide to the Christian faith?”

The passage doesn’t say that. No passage does.

Yes, the Scriptures contain divine revelation, but the Scriptures require an authority to determine what constitutes Scripture.

History and Scripture tells us that Christ’s Church is “the pillar and foundation of truth.”

Jesus commands us to “listen to the church,” and that those who “ will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.”

[metmom]

Most of those can be inferred from scripture anyway

Well, is the standard that it's found directly in Scripture or not?

Why is it OK to accept those doctrines because they're inferred in Scripture anyway, but not sola Scriptura?

Why the double standard in demanding proof for a doctrine when it comes to SS and everything else gets a pass?

Why is SS the only one exempt from being allowed to be inferred?

[CynicalBear]

Why do you continue asking those questions after they have been answered multiple times?