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To: John Leland 1789

So what is being said here - that for all he did, MLK is in hell, because even though he did so much for so many people, and showed so much courage in the face of evil that he was killed for it, he wasn’t perfect and didn’t fit the generally accepted definition of Christian, and so even though he invoked Christ in his mission to give heart to people and fight evil - he’s now in hell forever, suffering like the most vile criminal?

What utter, complete rot. I reject such a conclusion with contempt. Jesus isn’t an accountant, and if MLK didn’t do enough, then no one can. He faced the murderous equivalent of nazistic hate and responded with teaching millions a response of love and nonviolence and human dignity and calling on God. There’s not one in a hundred who could do what he did.

And lumping him in with LBJ is obscene.

I don’t care how the Left had abused his legacy and name for their own purposes - it doesn’t change what he did and taught. And if what he did and taught wasn’t Christian, then Christianity is useless.


11 posted on 01/17/2015 10:08:24 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

You don’t understand the gospel, FRiend. If all a man has to offer the thrice holy God are his so-called good deeds, he’s hellbound for sure.

The Bible clearly teaches no man is justified (made right or just in the sight of God) through their deeds, but through faith (Romans 3:28). Sadly, most never understand this simple truth.

Men naturally think heaven is something they can attain by being or doing good. It’s our default position, which is why manmade religions are always works oriented. The lone exception is Christianity. The Bible says that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone. (Ephesians 2:8-9) When we say salvation is by grace, we mean it is a free gift based on the character of the giver, not the recipient.

Once you get a handle on the sinfulness of men and the utter holiness of God you will understand that we have no good deeds to offer. Isaiah said even our righteous acts, our very best deeds, are like filthy rags in the sight of God. See even our best is tainted by sin and the wages of sin is death. Either a man will stand in judgment based on his own righteousness (the sum of his lifetime of works) or he will stand clothed in the spotless robes of Christ’s righteousness. God’s standard for heaven is absolute perfection. Man’s one and only hope is Christ, the spotless lamb who gave Himself to pay the price for sinners.

Many people don’t quite have a full or sophisticated understanding, but they are nevertheless saved by the grace of God. You might say their hearts are better than their heads. But in the case of MLK and so many modern liberals, they understand what the Scriptures actually teach and they decide they know better. They are hostile to what the Bible says and they willingly reject it.

I hope you will listen to these two sermons linked below. One explains the gospel, the other is about understanding the false gospel.

The Gospel Discerned and Defined
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=81901181950

Unmasking the False Gospel
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1010665821


19 posted on 01/17/2015 10:46:43 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: Talisker

You’re not a Christian, are you?

I say that because your comment indicates you know nothing about the Gospel.


21 posted on 01/17/2015 11:04:03 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Talisker

Sorry to tell you, but good works will NOT get you into heaven. Please read your Bible so that you can better understand what and who a Christian is - Jesus said that not everyone who says, Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of heaven. Matthew 7:21. I’m not familiar with every aspect of MLK’s life, and will not judge whether or not he went to heaven. I know that he was an adulterer, and if you do some research, it will certainly open your eyes that MLK was not faithful to his wife.


29 posted on 01/17/2015 11:18:01 PM PST by Catsrus (al)
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To: Talisker

My, My. Aren’t we a bit upset? The Bible is clear. Good works do not and cannot deliver a person to heaven. One can’t earn his way to heaven. The only way is through the grace of Jesus and it is free. It is no more complicated than that.


37 posted on 01/17/2015 11:47:09 PM PST by Dave W
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To: Talisker

I wanna go to your church and I wanna read your Bible...sounds like a lot more fun than the real thing...


45 posted on 01/18/2015 12:47:16 AM PST by ladyL
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To: Talisker

“So what is being said here - that for all he did, MLK is in hell, because even though he did so much for so many people, and showed so much courage in the face of evil that he was killed for it, he wasn’t perfect and didn’t fit the generally accepted definition of Christian, and so even though he invoked Christ in his mission to give heart to people and fight evil - he’s now in hell forever, suffering like the most vile criminal?

What utter, complete rot. I reject such a conclusion with contempt. Jesus isn’t an accountant, and if MLK didn’t do enough, then no one can. He faced the murderous equivalent of nazistic hate and responded with teaching millions a response of love and nonviolence and human dignity and calling on God. There’s not one in a hundred who could do what he did.

And lumping him in with LBJ is obscene.

I don’t care how the Left had abused his legacy and name for their own purposes - it doesn’t change what he did and taught. And if what he did and taught wasn’t Christian, then Christianity is useless.”

A Christian is one who repents of sin and trusts the Biblical Christ, (ie conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary, and who was crucified, died and is risen) SOLELY and COMPLETELY for salvation. Invoking a non-Biblical Christ is to take His name in vain.

Just one “tiny” sin is enough is enough to separate us from a holy, righteous God forever. One doesn’t have to be a vile criminal. That separation between us and God cannot be fixed by any number of good works on our part. Only God can fix that ON HIS TERMS. Even when a small child does wrong, it is not because he hasn’t been taught the difference between right and wrong. It is because his nature is inherently sinful. When a Christian does good works it is EVIDENCE of salvation, not the CAUSE of it. Even Muslims, Hindus, atheists , etc do good works but they are not salvific.

MLK’s version of Christianity is useless. Biblical Christianity is the only answer. It is Christ who done what is necessary.


56 posted on 01/18/2015 3:01:58 AM PST by Diapason
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To: Talisker

“Jesus isn’t an accountant, and if MLK didn’t do enough, then no one can.”

Truly. Jesus is NOT an accountant, and no one can do enough!

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” - Jesus


71 posted on 01/18/2015 6:59:38 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Talisker
So what is being said here - that for all he did, MLK is in hell, because even though he did so much for so many people, and showed so much courage in the face of evil that he was killed for it, he wasn’t perfect and didn’t fit the generally accepted definition of Christian, and so even though he invoked Christ in his mission to give heart to people and fight evil - he’s now in hell forever, suffering like the most vile criminal?

What utter, complete rot. I reject such a conclusion with contempt. Jesus isn’t an accountant, and if MLK didn’t do enough, then no one can. He faced the murderous equivalent of nazistic hate and responded with teaching millions a response of love and nonviolence and human dignity and calling on God. There’s not one in a hundred who could do what he did.

And lumping him in with LBJ is obscene.

I don’t care how the Left had abused his legacy and name for their own purposes - it doesn’t change what he did and taught. And if what he did and taught wasn’t Christian, then Christianity is useless.

Forget about where MLK's soul is. And forget about what he did, because that is irrelevant.

To be an orthodox chrstian one must believe the dogmas. He admitted he did not, therefore he was not an orthodox chrstian.

78 posted on 01/18/2015 7:41:22 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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