[cuban leaf]

I have a 3 hour round trip commute, and have the entire bible on a thumb drive that I can plug into my dash stereo. I must confess that after listening to the books of the bible a LOT, I’m beginning to wonder how accurate some of it really is.

I’m wanting to separate the new testament into its separate books “physically” and rate them in authenticity separately.

I do, however, believe that many of the “contradictions” in the bible are really only contradictions in people’s interpretation of what it says. And before people take its words too literally, they may want to remember that the rooster crowed once before Peter denied Christ three times in Mark, but not until after he denied Christ three times in the others.

Is it a contradiction, or is it a lesson in getting the meaning of the phrases rather than the meaning of the words. If the latter, one is just plain wrong.

[Stingray]

“Is it a contradiction, or is it a lesson in getting the meaning of the phrases rather than the meaning of the words. If the latter, one is just plain wrong.”

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Actually, such minor discrepancies in testimony - even eyewitness testimony - are common and, when taken together, establish the truth of critical events. Moreover, those who allege that the gospels are the result of a “collective conspiracy” to “get the story straight” are dashed upon the rocks by testimonies which differ in such small detail.

If there were a conspiracy to “get the story right”, why do these discrepancies in the testimony of the witnesses remain?

Critics can’t have it both ways: they cannot allege a conspiracy years after the events took place to purge such discrepancies and then condemn the Bible for having them!

But no one will ever accuse a Biblical critic of logical consistency.

The fact of the matter is, did a cock crow when Peter denied Jesus? Every one of the synoptic gospels says it did. That is the “big picture” people miss when they focus on the minutiae.

[ravenwolf]

they may want to remember that the rooster crowed once before Peter denied Christ three times in Mark,

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I would say that if the gospel of Mark was taken from Peter`s preaching or if it was dictated by Peter as it is believed.

Peter would be the only one who would know first hand, and how could you forget something like that.

I believe the fact that the word ;Twice; being left off would not be a contradiction but only a detail not aware of by the other writers..

[CynicalBear]

>>And before people take its words too literally, they may want to remember that the rooster crowed once before Peter denied Christ three times in Mark<<

See here for a "common usage" understanding.

Typically those who claim errancy in scripture have been too lazy to research.

[daniel1212]

they may want to remember that the rooster crowed once before Peter denied Christ three times in Mark, but not until after he denied Christ three times in the others.

That is like many other duplicate accounts and there is no actually contradiction. Search my custom search engine or Google's own Apologetics search of approx 135 Christian apologetics websites and blogs.

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22:34, Did the cock crow once or twice before Peter's third denial?

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22:34, Did the cock crow once or twice before Peter's third denial? If a cock crows a second time, then it has crowed once before. The problem is that in Mark, after Peter denies the Lord for the third time (Mark 14:71), immediately ... carm.org carm.org/bible.../did-cock-crow-once-or-twice-peters-third-denial

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Apologetics Press - How Many Times Did the Rooster Crow?

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Apologetics Press - How Many Times Did the Rooster Crow? Then He said, “I tell you, Peter, the rooster shall not crow this day before you will ... the rooster crowed once after Peter's first denial and again after his third denial. .... must be noted; (3) the author's name must remain attached to the materials; ... www.apologeticspress.org www.apologeticspress.org/article/759

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Contradictions: Cock a Doodle, One or Two? | Answers in Genesis

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Contradictions: Cock a Doodle, One or Two? | Answers in Genesis Aug 28, 2012 ... At Peter's denials of Christ, did the rooster crow once or twice, and how ... “the crowing of the rooster” continued from about 12:00 A.M. until 3:00 ...