12 Claims Every Catholic Should Be Able to Answer: Claim #3

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[Alex Murphy]

If you must Jeopardize the proceedings here, let me remind you that;

Alex does not formulate the "questions".
"Alex" provides the correct answers.

I may not provide all of the answers, but I'm certainly big enough to be questionable!

In the category "The Bible" for $500, the answer is "It was breathed out by God, according to Timothy." What is the question?

[boatbums]

As is normal for you non-Catholics you completely missed the point. We were talking about atheists trying to say there are errors in the text. The errors are not errors at all. We were talking about reading it in context as some books are history, some are parable, some are poetry etc. I am not confused by the Bible and I have read the entire thing more than once and I have read more of it then you given the fact that you guys left some books out. Do you find that displaying your ignorance of the subject matter makes you feel better? Because it certainly could be rather entertaining for us Catholics if you would put a little more effort into your replies.

The funny thing is that if you include the "deuterocanonicals/apocryphal" books as Catholic do to "their" Bible, then there are some rather blatant errors and contradictions in the "Bible". This was why neither the Jews (unto whom were given the "Oracles of God" - the OT writings) nor the early Christians nor those who hold to the actual Holy Spirit inspired Scriptures EVER considered them as part of the sacred Scriptures. Apparently, they had a higher standard for what they received as from God.

To learn what those errors are, see:

http://carm.org/errors-apocrypha

http://carm.org/why-apocrypha-not-in-bible

http://www.justforcatholics.org/a48.htm

[BlueDragon]

I could use an ~easy~ $500, but I don't want to take such advantage of you.

What is the .....?

...what were we talking about? what was the "category"?

How obvious does it have to be?

Another map need be drawn up? -- here! here is the buried treasure. X marks the spot. And it's that ah, uh collection of writings that was being talked about.

I could just imagine...providing the answer...having you agree I could collect the winnings...then both of us be challenged ---- "you can't do that!" "that's not the [.....] if it doesn't have all the pages Luther ripped out of it !!!"

[daniel1212]

There are a lot of FR threads that are more accurate than your quotes....

The denial was that Catholics do not say the Catholic church wrote the Bible, so are you saying that they were inaccurate or providing accusing me of of providing quotes?

.btw, I didn't think we were supposed to drag peoples' comments from one thread to another.

It do not think we are sppsd to drag a debate from another thread, but that this does not exclude posting evidence when a denial is made about a debate that has already begun.

[Alex Murphy]

There are a lot of FR threads that are more accurate than your quotes....

Whose quotes were they? They weren't daniel1212's words, from what I read.

[daniel1212]

Whose quotes were they? They weren't daniel1212's words, from what I read.

Since i simply provided quotes with links, or links to quotes, then it remains that any incurracy is on the part of the poster.

But what we have again is an example of DRAACTC (defend Rome at any cost to credulity) as applied to her members. .

[daniel1212]

Thank god there are no deluded Catholics. That privilege is reserved solely for those that think Catholics are deluded.

So if even referring to the Bible, no RCs have been deluded or confused reading Catholic Bibles and commentary? Or is there sppsd to be as asterisk after your statement?

[daniel1212]

I am always so grateful for the liturgy and the clergy that are there to fill in the blanks.

So listening to the clergy prevents confusion and ensures fidelity? Or must RCs examine what is said in the light of official teaching, within its different levels, as they understand it to be, and mean? And how can this not result in confusion?

And as the one duty of the laity is to follow the pastors, and what one does and effects is what constitutes the evidence of what one believes, then what leadership does is also interpretive of RC teaching.

We were talking about reading it in context as some books are history, some are parable, some are poetry etc.

Indeed. And to avoid confusion and to prevent reliance upon that dreaded private interpretation RCs censure against us understanding a text based upon context, genre, and linguistics, it must be assumed that Rome has officially defined or otherwise consistently correctly teaches what books or parts thereof are history, some are parable, some are poetry, as well as there meaning.

Or do RCs have a great deal of liberty to adopt a number of interpretations of Scripture within the parameters of RC teaching and its general guide to interpretation?

[CynicalBear]

One thing is glaringly obvious. Catholics are not like the Bereans.

[caww]

.....”Even easier, just grab the Bible and read it end-to-end”....

If I depended on reading only during church service, or if catholic, listening or reading what’s on the bench...I’d be starving from malnutrition!

There is a huge difference between “taking it in” from preachers and teachers and then having your own time in Gods Word , and this with the Lord, to confirm or not what is being taught. Especially when one may not be familiar or question what’s said, or written.

You really cannot be growing ‘in the Lord’ apart from time with Him and study in His Word independent of what any church offers.

It’s not complicated as some think...God can and does teach no matter where you read in His Word if you make Him the teacher rather than depending entirley on being fed like a baby from teachers and Priests etc.

[caww]

The fact is we have God’s word so getting hung up on who made that possible is simply a stall from picking it up on ones own and let God do what he promised by reading it.

I’ve found those who dispute such issues generally either aren’t saved to begin with and or are looking for arguments. When at issues is either God gave us His Word to guide us into His truths or He didn’t......

...”believing” that he did and not limiting Him from revealing Himself by making it more confusing then it needs to be just discourages people from picking it up for themselves.

Just pick it up and read.

[caww]

......”The funny thing is that if you include the “deuterocanonicals/apocryphal” books as Catholic do to “their” Bible, then there are some rather blatant errors and contradictions in the “Bible”. This was why neither the Jews (unto whom were given the “Oracles of God” - the OT writings) nor the early Christians nor those who hold to the actual Holy Spirit inspired Scriptures EVER considered them as part of the sacred Scriptures. Apparently, they had a higher standard for what they received as from God.”.......

The natural outcome of those “additional” books is why there is the confusion among catholics in the first place.

I know a young Christian who determined they would also read those books....they came away not only confused....but their faith was rocked. They then began to attend a catholic church and fell into the “habit” of depended entirely on what the church taught and ceased being more than furniture in the room every Sunday.... It was more than sad.

[caww]

....”One thing is glaringly obvious. Catholics are not like the Bereans”.....

It could be no other way under the tutelage of Catholicism....volumes of conflicting and twisted information ‘flood’ their institute and the minds of those who might otherwise 'see' the simplistic truths Jesus teaches. They would do well to seek what God speaks in His Word and let Him reveal His truths to them. ....It often seems to me they know more about catholicism then they do the things of God. They need to look closer at his word.

[terycarl]

You really cannot be growing ‘in the Lord’ apart from time with Him and study in His Word independent of what any church offers. It’s not complicated as some think...God can and does teach no matter where you read in His Word if you make Him the teacher rather than depending entirley on being fed like a baby from teachers and Priests etc.

That is ABSOLUTELY the wrong way to study the bible....you cannot engineer and build a bridge across a mile wide gorge without studying under a person who understands what it means to do so. To assume that one can pick up a Bible, read it, and understand the meaning of the old and new testament without ever hearing a learned person teach it is total nonsense....Please zip out, pick up a book written in Chinese, and rush back to tell us what it says.....

[caww]

......”you cannot engineer and build a bridge across a mile wide gorge without studying under a person who understands what it means to do so. To assume that one can pick up a Bible, read it, and understand the meaning of the old and new testament without ever hearing a learned person teach it is total nonsense....Please zip out, pick up a book written in Chinese, and rush back to tell us what it says”....

That's right I can't...but Jesus did just that...He bridged the entire gap between God and man and then By His Spirit He teachers us. We walk by faith trusting and believing.

That does not mean literature and articles can't be beneficial...it's when you depend/rely on those sources to BE your source of belief without checking God's word for confirmation and or rely on them above His Word....... The World is inundated with massive teachings and literature....which often end up distracting from peoples time and study of His Word.

In reality we could actually rely on His Word alone, and many good teachers have mentioned there are times when we need to put aside all the tapes, books, videos and helps and just get with God and His Word and let Him speak to us.

I prefer to do this first and then use other helps after the fact. Unfortunatley Catholicism tends to overwhelm people with their literature, rituals, and a host of unnessary "stuff" that crowds out God and His word.... and the idea they have to acknowledge and depend on the Pope and the Manisterium for what they believe is wrong.

Currently the Pope is giving evidence that should make all catholics be on edge regarding homosexuals....not to mention the many other issues catholicism is facing in their rank and file. Why would any rely on such instability?

Therefore one is always far better staying close to the Lord in developing with Him their relationship...and trust Gods Word above all else. I've worked and spoken with many catholics who do not do so.