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To: Jan_Sobieski
"It is because I know what Papal Infallibility is, that I posted it...making sure to disagree with it. If Papal Infallibility were true, Paul would not have corrected Peter to his face in Galatians 2:11-18."

But this is silly on stilts.

Papal infallibility pertains only to dogmatic definitions of faith and morals, intended to be binding (de fide) on the entire church, made by the Pope by virtue of his official capacity (ex cathedra)as leader of the Universal Church.

Peter's cowardice and snobbery with regard to table fellowship with the uncircumcised fulfilled none of these requirements.

So you are quite mistaken. Peter's personal fault-- which Blessed Paul sharply corrected, and was right to do so --- had neither the intention, the form nor the matter of an exercise of infallibility.

If you knew anything about the history of the Catholic Church, you would know that the correction of the erroneous opinions or faulty behavior of popes, is an acknowledged and never-ending task.

48 posted on 12/30/2014 2:34:21 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Great response!


56 posted on 12/30/2014 3:58:48 PM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Papal infallibility pertains only to dogmatic definitions of faith and morals, intended to be binding (de fide) on the entire church, made by the Pope by virtue of his official capacity (ex cathedra)as leader of the Universal Church.

If you knew anything about the history of the Catholic Church, you would know that the correction of the erroneous opinions or faulty behavior of popes, is an acknowledged and never-ending task.

Papal infallibility nor papal authority came from God, or the church or even the early Catholic church...

In addition to the Pseudo Isidorian Decretals there were other forgeries which were successfully used for the promotion of the doctrine of papal primacy. One famous instance is that of Thomas Aquinas. In 1264 A.D. Thomas authored a work entitled Against the Errors of the Greeks. This work deals with the issues of theological debate between the Greek and Roman Churches in that day on such subjects as the Trinity, the Procession of the Holy Spirit, Purgatory and the Papacy. In his defense of the papacy Thomas bases practically his entire argument on forged quotations of Church fathers. Under the names of the eminent Greek fathers such as Cyril of Jerusalem, John Chrysostom, Cyril of Alexandria and Maximus the Abbott, a Latin forger had compiled a catena of quotations interspersing a number that were genuine with many that were forged which was subsequently submitted to Pope Urban IV. This work became known as the Thesaurus of Greek Fathers or Thesaurus Graecorum Patrum. In addition the Latin author also included spurious canons from early Ecumenical Councils. Pope Urban in turn submitted the work to Thomas Aquinas who used many of the forged passages in his work Against the Errors of the Greeks mistakenly thinking they were genuine. These spurious quotations had enormous influence on many Western theologians in succeeding centuries. The following is a sample of Thomas’ argumentation for the papacy using the spurious quotations from the Thesaurus:

Donation of Constantine
The Donation of Constantine (Latin, Donatio Constantini) is a forged Roman imperial decree by which the emperor Constantine I supposedly transferred authority over Rome and the western part of the Roman Empire to the Pope.

Doesn't look too good for the authenticity of your Church...

58 posted on 12/30/2014 4:07:23 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Peter's cowardice and snobbery with regard to table fellowship with the uncircumcised fulfilled none of these requirements.

Is that what Catholics tell each other was going on...Table fellowship??? That's quite a twist on the scriptures...

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Peter was walking deceitfully according to the truth of the Gospel, and you call it 'table fellowship'??? Sorry, but Peter was destroying the faith of the Gentiles while confirming the Jews' beliefs in living under the law and not grace...

And Paul corrects Peter with the following...

Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Peter was guilty of siding with those who rejected the Gospel and claimed the Gentile Christians had to live under the law...If that's not faith and morals, nothing is...

61 posted on 12/30/2014 4:35:45 PM PST by Iscool
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